simple past vs present perf.

[aysaa]

Hi,

As we all know that the world cup which is held every four years in a different country.

-This year we got the world cup as a team of England.

-This year we have got the world cup as a team of England.

Which one is more appropriate to use? Thanks...

 

[5jj]

[STRIKE]As we all know that [/STRIKE]the world cup [STRIKE]which[/STRIKE] is held every four years in a different country.
'As weall know, the world cup ...' or 'We all know that the world cup ...
-This year we got the world cup as a team of England.
-This year we have got the world cup as a team of England.

I am afraid that I don't know what you mean by the words I have underlined.

 

[Raymott]

Hi,

As we all know, [STRIKE]that[/STRIKE] the world cup [STRIKE]which[/STRIKE] is held every four years in a different country.

-This year we got the world cup as a team of England.

-This year we have got the world cup as a team of England.

Which one is more appropriate to use? Thanks...

Neither. Your sentences don't make sense.

 

[aysaa]

Win the cup...Sorry.

-This year, we won the world cup.
-This year, we have won the world cup.

 

[Raymott]

Win the cup...Sorry.

-This year, we won the world cup. This is correct.
-This year, we have won the world cup. This is not so good.*

* We don't use the present perfect (a present tense) with an adverbial of past time. "This year" is still happening, but it obviously refers to an event in the past. There are contexts in which the second sentence is possible, but it's not a good template sentence for learning good English.

 

[aysaa]

Thanks for the answer... But we can say 'we have won the world cup', unless we don't use 'this year' in that sentence, is that right?

 

[Raymott]

Thanks for the answer... But we can say 'we have won the world cup', unless we don't use 'this year' in that sentence, is that right?

Certainly. As I said, in some contexts you can also use "have won" with "this year", eg. "So far this year we have won the National Championships, the European Cup, and the World Cup. What more can our fans expect of us?" That is, the year is still going on, so we can use the present perfect.
What you definitely can't say is "Last year we have won the World Cup."

 

[Kotfor]

Why is it not so good to say?

This year we have won the World Cup.

Just thinking

I have seen them this year.
I saw them this year.

It seems like the first one is OK. What would be the right context for each of them?

 

[Raymott]

Why is it not so good to say?

This year we have won the World Cup.

Just thinking

I have seen them this year.
I saw them this year.

It seems like the first one is OK. What would be the right context for each of them?

They are not analogous sentences. You can only win (or lose) the world cup once in a year. You can 'see them' many times.
So, if you win the world cup, you say "We won the world cup this year".
We don't use the present perfect tense with a past time. "This year" stands for a past time - the time when the world cup was held.

(There are possible, though not common, contexts in which saying "We have won the world cup this year" is possible, but not as a stand alone concept).