[Vocabulary] was effective / took effect

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His Majesty the King has signed a royal order appointing the late Pol Col Sompien Eksomya, 59 to the rank of Pol Gen (Police General). This royal order took effect on 12 March 10.
Could you tell me whether the expression 'took effect' is correct? Because I usually have used or heard the expression ' was effective' which has the meaning in this sense long time ago.
Thank you for your time. :-D

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His Majesty the King has signed a royal order appointing the late Pol Col Sompien Eksomya, 59 to the rank of Pol Gen (Police General). This royal order took effect on 12 March 10.
Could you tell me whether the expression 'took effect' is correct? Because I usually have used or heard the expression ' was effective' which has the meaning in this sense long time ago.
Thank you for your time. :-D

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Both terms mean the same. took effect=became effective/was effective=went into operation
 

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His Majesty the King has signed a royal order appointing the late Pol Col Sompien Eksomya, 59 to the rank of Pol Gen (Police General). This royal order took effect on 12 March 10.
Could you tell me whether the expression 'took effect' is correct? Because I usually have used or heard the expression ' was effective' which has the meaning in this sense long time ago.
Thank you for your time. :-D

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take effect = to begin to work, to come into force
For example;
When will the drug take effect?

effective (adjective) =
1. having power to produce, or producing, a desired result
For example;
These new teaching methods have proved very effective.

2. striking or pleasing
For example;
She can make an effective display of flowers.

3. in operation; working; active
For example;
The new law becomes effective next week.

In my opinion, 'took effect' doesn't mean 'was effective' here, but it does 'become effective'.
 

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take effect = to begin to work, to come into force
For example;
When will the drug take effect?

effective (adjective) =
1. having power to produce, or producing, a desired result
For example;
These new teaching methods have proved very effective.

2. striking or pleasing
For example;
She can make an effective display of flowers.

3. in operation; working; active
For example;
The new law becomes effective next week.

In my opinion, 'took effect' doesn't mean 'was effective' here, but it does 'become effective'.

Please see the defination and use: take effect: Information from Answers.com
 

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go into effect or become effective or operative; "The new law will take effect next month"
This is from the webpage you refer to.

Therefore, in my post, which part is wrong?
Please explain it to me.

It simply means: The new law will take effect next month=The new law will be effective next month= The new law will be operative next month.

There is no difference between:to take effect and be effective/be oprative
Effective means: operative; active. If a law, agreement, or an order becomes effective, it officially starts
The cut in interest rates is effective from Monday
 
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In my opinion, 'took effect' doesn't mean 'was effective' here, but it does 'become effective'.[/QUOTE]

Thank you very much Whitemoon.
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It simply means: The new law will take effect next month=The new law will be effective next month= The new law will be operative next month.

There is no difference between:to take effect and be effective/be oprative
Effective means: operative; active. If a law, agreement, or an order becomes effective, it officially starts
The cut in interest rates is effective from Monday

effective - Definition of effective at YourDictionary.com
effective (adj) = in effect, operative, active
take effect - definition of take effect by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
take effect (idiom) = to become operative, as under law or regulation, and to produce the desired reaction
Therefore, "take effect" amounts to "become effective". (not be effective)

According to your example, the new law will take effect next month=the new law will become effective next month.

I don't think you understand the difference between "be" and "become".
Do you think that "be effective" is the same to "become effective"?
 

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I don't think you understand the difference between "be" and "become".
Do you think that "be effective" is the same to "become effective"?

At times ‘be’ and ‘become are interchangeable, as:
I want to be a doctor=I want to become a doctor.
"be effective" is the same as "become effective"? You may accept or may not accept this, but please do not try to teach me the difference. Do not expect any more clarifications from me.
 

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At times ‘be’ and ‘become are interchangeable, as:
I want to be a doctor=I want to become a doctor.
"be effective" is the same as "become effective"? You may accept or may not accept this, but please do not try to teach me the difference. Do not expect any more clarifications from me.

Thank you sarat_106 how attentive you are in your teaching!
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At times ‘be’ and ‘become are interchangeable, as:
I want to be a doctor=I want to become a doctor.
"be effective" is the same as "become effective"? You may accept or may not accept this, but please do not try to teach me the difference. Do not expect any more clarifications from me.

She is beautiful.
She becomes beautiful.

She was a doctor.
She became a doctor.
 

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take effect = to begin to work, to come into force
For example;
When will the drug take effect?

effective (adjective) =
1. having power to produce, or producing, a desired result
For example;
These new teaching methods have proved very effective.

2. striking or pleasing
For example;
She can make an effective display of flowers.

3. in operation; working; active
For example;
The new law becomes effective next week.

In my opinion, 'took effect' doesn't mean 'was effective' here, but it does 'become effective'.
Yes, I agree.
A medicine, for example, can take effect, in the sense that it becomes effective in treating the disease, but might not be fully effective in healing the illness. So, in retrospect, it was not effective. It took effect, but the effect didn't last.
 

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Yes, I agree.
A medicine, for example, can take effect, in the sense that it becomes effective in treating the disease, but might not be fully effective in healing the illness. So, in retrospect, it was not effective. It took effect, but the effect didn't last.

SO, can I conclude that " take effect" = begin / start to be effective but it may/ may not last or is effective long ?
 

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SO, can I conclude that " take effect" = begin / start to be effective but it may/ may not last or is effective long ?
Yes, but usually things that take effect, are ultimately effective, but "take effect" doesn't imply that.
 
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