99munsea94
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Hi,
I am going to ask a somewhat convoluted question here, but fingers crossedsomeone can answer me. (Apologies in advance for the length.)
First of all,what are the different categories for parenthetical asides that are set asideby commas, dashes or parentheses? You have nonrestrictive descriptors thatfunction syntactically as modifiers, interjections (such as 'yeah', 'oh', etc.)that have no syntax function, and...
And what else? Are there other categories I'm missing?
Take this sentence, for instance: "Becoming a great writer—or even a goodwriter—requires practise and patience."
The phrasebracketed in dashes is a coordinate completer of the gerund 'Becoming', whichitself is the sentence's subject... Correct? So how is the phrase in dashesfunctioning in terms of the syntax? Why has it been set off withDashes? I'm not looking for an answer along the lines, "It's just anonessential element..." How does that enclosed phrase relate to theremainder of the sentence? Is it just down to the writer's own intuition to setaside this phrase and call it 'supplementary or nonessential'?
Next, take the following couple of sentence as examples for my secondquery: (1) "James felt endangered and hopeless about the situation,endangered because he wasn't familiar with the situation, hopeless because hecouldn't inform anyone of his situation." And (2) "James visited thesweet shop, which contained a selection of his favourite sour sweets, includingsome of the newest releases from last month's convention."
In sentence (1), how are the two clauses set aside by commas functioning? Bothelements are set aside individually by means of commas, but they're bothproviding more info. about the two adjective completers of the main clause. Isthis even a legal construction with commas? The form of this example is takenfrom an English Academic's book--I've just changed the substance of thesentence.
In sentence (2), there also appears to be two nonessential elements trailingthe main clause, again separated individually by commas; however, in thisinstance, the second 'parenthetical' seems to be a parenthetical, not to themain clause, but to the first parenthetical element. Can we have a nonessentialintertwined within another nonessential, itself a nonessential to the mainclause? What's the deal here?
If there's anysource that teaches the logic of nonessential elements in the meticulous detailI'm looking for, I'd appreciate a link/reference. I have struggled with myunderstanding of them for months and months now! I'm not sure why I can't getmy head around them.
I have studied syntax in detail, learning the logic of the language, the rolesof each word category, etc., etc., but this single issue has driven me up thewall! I can't understand the logic of 'nonessential bracketed words, phrases,or clauses', no matter how much I try to study them. Sorry for the mini-rant!
Thanks for taking the time to read,
Sean
I am going to ask a somewhat convoluted question here, but fingers crossedsomeone can answer me. (Apologies in advance for the length.)
First of all,what are the different categories for parenthetical asides that are set asideby commas, dashes or parentheses? You have nonrestrictive descriptors thatfunction syntactically as modifiers, interjections (such as 'yeah', 'oh', etc.)that have no syntax function, and...
And what else? Are there other categories I'm missing?
Take this sentence, for instance: "Becoming a great writer—or even a goodwriter—requires practise and patience."
The phrasebracketed in dashes is a coordinate completer of the gerund 'Becoming', whichitself is the sentence's subject... Correct? So how is the phrase in dashesfunctioning in terms of the syntax? Why has it been set off withDashes? I'm not looking for an answer along the lines, "It's just anonessential element..." How does that enclosed phrase relate to theremainder of the sentence? Is it just down to the writer's own intuition to setaside this phrase and call it 'supplementary or nonessential'?
Next, take the following couple of sentence as examples for my secondquery: (1) "James felt endangered and hopeless about the situation,endangered because he wasn't familiar with the situation, hopeless because hecouldn't inform anyone of his situation." And (2) "James visited thesweet shop, which contained a selection of his favourite sour sweets, includingsome of the newest releases from last month's convention."
In sentence (1), how are the two clauses set aside by commas functioning? Bothelements are set aside individually by means of commas, but they're bothproviding more info. about the two adjective completers of the main clause. Isthis even a legal construction with commas? The form of this example is takenfrom an English Academic's book--I've just changed the substance of thesentence.
In sentence (2), there also appears to be two nonessential elements trailingthe main clause, again separated individually by commas; however, in thisinstance, the second 'parenthetical' seems to be a parenthetical, not to themain clause, but to the first parenthetical element. Can we have a nonessentialintertwined within another nonessential, itself a nonessential to the mainclause? What's the deal here?
If there's anysource that teaches the logic of nonessential elements in the meticulous detailI'm looking for, I'd appreciate a link/reference. I have struggled with myunderstanding of them for months and months now! I'm not sure why I can't getmy head around them.
I have studied syntax in detail, learning the logic of the language, the rolesof each word category, etc., etc., but this single issue has driven me up thewall! I can't understand the logic of 'nonessential bracketed words, phrases,or clauses', no matter how much I try to study them. Sorry for the mini-rant!
Thanks for taking the time to read,
Sean