[Grammar] He insisted that the fault of the accident did not lie with him

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I'm confused by the causative verb 'insisted'.

In some grammar exercises I have done, the verb that follows a causative verb must be base.
- Example: She insisted he take his medicine.

While practising writing a narrative, I wanted to say either of these:

(A) He insisted that the fault of the accident do/did not lie with him. (I think the correct tense should be 'did' since it's a past tense sentence. In this case, what about the causative verb rule as set out in the above example)

(B) He insisted the accident is/was not his fault. (I think 'was' is correct but same confusion as (A); what about the causative verb rule?)

I'm not understanding something, but I don't know what.

Thank you for teaching me.
 

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I am not an English teacher but what I can tell you is

(A) He insisted that the fault of the accident did not lie with him. You can't use "do" because this was in the past.

(B) The same with "was".

This is AE as I know it but there could be a different answer for BE.
 

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In (A), you don't need to use the auxiliary do at all in order to follow the pattern.

He insisted that the fault of the accident lie not with him.

As far as (B) is concerned, I would suggest avoiding any causative verb rules and simply use

He insisted the accident was not his fault.
 

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In (A), you don't need to use the auxiliary do at all in order to follow the pattern.

He insisted that the fault of the accident lie not with him.

As far as (B) is concerned, I would suggest avoiding any causative verb rules and simply use

He insisted the accident was not his fault.


He insisted that the fault of the accident lie not with him. This sounds much better. I did not think of writing it this way.
I don't intentionally want to use the causative verb rule. It's just that in a narrative, I don't know when the rule applies and when it does not.
Does it mean that in this sentence, the "insisted" is not a causative verb hence I don't have to apply the rule?
- He insisted the accident was not his fault.

Sorry, I'm just confused. I would appreciate help to understand it.

Thank you!
 

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a) This was a requirement that Laura must do her homework.

b) This was an assertion that Laura (around the time of the assertion), does do her homework, perhaps in response to an assertion that she does not do it.

Does this mean both answers are correct?
 

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b) This was an assertion that Laura (around the time of the assertion), does do her homework, perhaps in response to an assertion that she does not do it.

I have difficulty understanding your explanation. Too deep for me! Can you simplify your explanation. Sorry about it.
Also, does it mean that I need a context in order to know which tense to choose?

Thank you!
 
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