The up and down fall of special stocks

GoodTaste · Oct 6, 2020

Do you think the phrase "The up and down fall of special stocks" works in English? Should "fall" be removed?

It seems to me that it should be either "The up and down of special stocks" or "The rise and fall of special stocks". What is your take?

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Please talk about the structure of China's stock market. And the future development of this market. The up and down fall of special stocks.

Source: TikTok (the speaker is a Chinese)

PeterCW · Oct 6, 2020

"Rise and fall" works for me. "Up and down fall" is simply wrong.

Tarheel · Oct 6, 2020

GoodTaste said:
Do you think the phrase "The up and down fall of special stocks" works in English? Should "fall" be removed?

It seems to me that it should be either "The up and down of special stocks" or "The rise and fall of special stocks". What is your take?

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Please talk about the structure of China's stock market. And the future development of this market. The ups and downs [STRIKE]fall[/STRIKE] of special stocks.

Source: TikTok (the speaker is a Chinese)

It's ups and downs. Or rise and fall. (I am not sure what a special stock is.)

Charlie Bernstein · Oct 6, 2020

PeterCW said:
. . . "Up and down fall" is simply wrong.

Correct. Because nothing falls up.

GoodTaste · Oct 6, 2020

PeterCW said:
"Rise and fall" works for me. "Up and down fall" is simply wrong.

The phrase "Up and down fall" is made by none other than "the English teacher" who touts his universal formula to master English under the Sun and who is active on the Chinese version of TikTok. Check out "A universal formula to master English"

emsr2d2 · Oct 6, 2020

I suggest you stop watching that man's TikTok videos. Unless you're planning to email him to point out that he is a terrible English teacher (and tell him why), it's a waste of your time and ours.

tzfujimino · Oct 6, 2020

I think the teacher should join us.

GoodTaste · Oct 6, 2020

tzfujimino said:
I think the teacher should join us.

Do you want to make him bankrupt?

Joining us would shatter his delusion of a universal formula to master English, which is a powerful tool "invented" by him to attract students to pay him to learn.

Despite his fraudulent invention, he's "good" because he keeps telling people English is useful.

emsr2d2 · Oct 6, 2020

GoodTaste said:
Do you want to make him bankrupt? Frankly, yes.

Joining us would shatter his delusion of a universal formula to master English, which is a powerful tool "invented" by him to attract students to pay him to learn. His delusion deserves to be shattered!

Despite his fraudulent invention, he's "good" because he keeps telling people English is useful. And yet he teaches them useless English!

See my serious responses to your (hopefully) tongue-in-cheek post. ;-)

Tarheel · Oct 6, 2020

I agree that he's a fraud. And I feel sorry for those who are duped into "learning" from him in the belief that they will learn real world English and derive the benefits from that.

Skrej · Oct 6, 2020

GoodTaste said:
Source: TikTok (the speaker is [STRIKE]a[/STRIKE] Chinese)

The speaker is Chinese, not 'a Chinese'.

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