Are these expressions okay?
1. He will come here by the 7 o'clock train.
2. He will come here by 7 o'clock train.
3. He will come here on the 7 o'clock train.
Let me confirm one more thing.
"* went by the * o'clock train" is found in native speakers' writings.
Is this a non-standard expression or "went by the * o'clock train" is idiomatically exceptional?
My point is that "come here" is a particular sort of phrase, and is usually imperative. If you're using a future indicative mood and tense, just "come" would suffice, and sound natural. Or, you could use "arrive". But in such a case, "come here" sounds like a non-native mixing registers.
Yes, but - strangely - not 'come'. It seems to be an elided version of 'went by [train: specifically,] the N o'clock train.'Let me confirm one more thing.
"* went by the * o'clock train" is found in native speakers' writings.
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I am suggesting it is not very natural when juxtaposed with a means of transport. Perhaps you're getting too used to Czech, and have lost touch with English to some extent.
I am suggesting it is not very natural when juxtaposed with a means of transport. Perhaps you're getting too used to Czech, and have lost touch with English to some extent.
Nope. Maybe you are too confident about natural usage in other English dialects? "Come here by X" where X is a form of transport is quite familiar to me.
That's what I said... if you read the thread, I said it sounds quite natural in the imperative. But for a declarative "He will....." I maintain "come" and "arrive" are far more natural than the phrasal "come here."
Fine - in your dialect, geolect or idiolect.
If you read the thread, what I wrote was, "Most of the BrE speakers agreed with me that: Arrive or come are possibly more likely than come here in my dialect for the original sentence, but come here is perfectly natural." (Underlining added).
Munch wrote: "Come here by X" where X is a form of transport is quite familiar to me.(Underlining added.)
5jj... I think English abhors redundancy Now that is a thought that could start a discussion that would keep going until we have driven readers of this thread insane. If you are interested, we can talk about it by PM, but I don't think it will offer much to other readers,
and it sounds odd to me to add "here" to sentences such as this:
"He will come by bus." I can't argue with that. It sounds odd to you; it doesn't to me. Neither of us is 'right' - and neither is 'wrong'.
By the way, what is a jedjon? Are you a Jedi?