[Grammar] Is the construction reasonable?

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I think that the kinds of things that women are exposed to tend to be in more of a chronic or repeated nature. Men go to war and are exposed to combat stress. Men are...

In the above, after the second that there are 5 sentences, which say about the "kinds of things". My problem is:
1. Why are there 5 independent sentences in apposition without any conjunctions at all. Is the contruction reasonable?
2.In the first sentence ,what is the function of "the kinds of things"? Is it the object of "think"? But I don't think we can say"Ithink the kinds of things."
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I think that the kinds of things that women are exposed to tend to be in more of a chronic or repeated nature. Men go to war and are exposed to combat stress. Men are...

In the above, after the second that there are 5 sentences, which say about the "kinds of things". My problem is:
1. Why are there 5 independent sentences in apposition without any conjunctions at all. Is the contruction reasonable?
2.In the first sentence ,what is the function of "the kinds of things"? Is it the object of "think"? But I don't think we can say"Ithink the kinds of things."
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Where is this text from?
 

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It is from the China research student for master examination topic in 2008.
 

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Could you post the whole text please, or at least all the relevant part.
 

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Could you post the whole text please, or at least all the relevant part.
I have
to post the following:
I think that the kinds of things that women are exposed to tend to be in more of a chronic or repeated nature. Men go to war and are exposed to combat stress. Men are exposed to more acts of random physical violence. The kinds of interpersonal violence that women are exposed to tend to be in domestic situations, by, unfortunately, parents or other family members, and they tend not to be one-shot deals. The wear-and -tear that comes from these longer relationships can be quite devastating.
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I have
to post the following:
I think that the kinds of things that women are exposed to tend to be in more of a chronic or repeated nature. Men go to war and are exposed to combat stress. Men are exposed to more acts of random physical violence. The kinds of interpersonal violence that women are exposed to tend to be in domestic situations, by, unfortunately, parents or other family members, and they tend not to be one-shot deals. The wear-and -tear that comes from these longer relationships can be quite devastating.
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There are quite a few problems with this text, but the short sentences are OK. There is nothing ungrammatical about "I think that the kinds of things women are exposed to..."
 

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Reply to the above:
I am sorry but you haven't answered my questions completely.
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IMO:

1. Because this would be quite a mouthful: Men go to war and are exposed to combat stress and men are exposed to more acts of random physical violence and the kinds of interpersonal violence that women are exposed to tend to be in domestic situations, by, unfortunately, parents or other family members, and they tend not to be one-shot deals and the wear-and -tear that comes from these longer relationships can be quite devastating.

2. I think either of these are OK:

I think that the kinds of things that women are exposed to ...
I think the kinds of things women are exposed to ...
 

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There are quite a few problems with this text, but the short sentences are OK. There is nothing ungrammatical about "I think that the kinds of things women are exposed to..."
"There are quite a few problems with this text"----What are the problems?
As normal examination topic,I think that it should be very normal,not be written by pupils.Something like that and "nowhere else...was importance ..." are both not good English, at least.
Let me analyze the sentence. The first that is a conjunction, it's behind should be a clause,but ,as it is, is "the kinds of things"。 As for the second that, introducing 5 independent clauses in apposition to "things" without any conjunctions,can we say it is good English?


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My thoughts:

I think that the kinds of things that women are exposed to tend to be [STRIKE]in[/STRIKE] more of a chronic or repeated nature. Men go to war and are exposed to combat stress. Men are exposed to more acts of random physical violence. The kinds of interpersonal violence that women are exposed to tend to be in domestic situations, [STRIKE]by[/STRIKE] committed, unfortunately, by parents or other family members, and they tend not to be [STRIKE]one-shot deals[/STRIKE] isolated incidents. The [STRIKE]wear-and-tear[/STRIKE] damage that comes from these longer relationships can be quite devastating.
 

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My thoughts:

I think that the kinds of things that women are exposed to tend to be [STRIKE]in[/STRIKE] more of a chronic or repeated nature. Men go to war and are exposed to combat stress. Men are exposed to more acts of random physical violence. The kinds of interpersonal violence that women are exposed to tend to be in domestic situations, [STRIKE]by[/STRIKE] committed, unfortunately, by parents or other family members, and they tend not to be [STRIKE]one-shot deals[/STRIKE] isolated incidents. The [STRIKE]wear-and-tear[/STRIKE] damage that comes from these longer relationships can be quite devastating.

Teacher and student go their own way,each.
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Teacher and student go their own way,each.
Thanks!
I came to know where I was wrong by myself. In the original sentence the sencond that is not a conjunction ,but a relative pronoun which can be omitted. Because it is from a test topic, I think it is an obstacle madeby the tester prurosely.

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