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JACEK1 · Apr 1, 2020

Hello everybody!

Does "Next morning we moved towards Bedni Bughiyal, the trail was very beautiful and this time Ragav & Sudarshan decided to let the mules carry their bags so that they can feel lighter" mean:

1.When the next morning we moved towards Bedni Bughiyal, the trail was very beautiful and this time Ragav & Sudarshan decided to let the mules carry their bags so that they can feel lighter.

2 The next morning we moved towards Bedni Bughiyal; the trail was very beautiful and this time Ragav & Sudarshan decided to let the mules carry their bags so that they can feel lighter?

What do you think?

Raymott · Apr 1, 2020

JACEK1 said:
Hello everybody!

Does "Next morning we moved towards Bedni Bughiyal, the trail was very beautiful and this time Ragav & Sudarshan decided to let the mules carry their bags so that they can feel lighter" mean:

1.When the next morning we moved towards Bedni Bughiyal, the trail was very beautiful and this time Ragav & Sudarshan decided to let the mules carry their bags so that they can feel lighter.

2 The next morning we moved towards Bedni Bughiyal; the trail was very beautiful and this time Ragav & Sudarshan decided to let the mules carry their bags so that they can feel lighter?

What do you think?

It means:
"The next morning we moved towards Bedni Bughiyal."
"The trail was very beautiful".
"This time Ragav & Sudarshan decided to let the mules carry their bags so that they can feel lighter."

The grammar calls for "so that they could/would feel lighter." It's past tense.
But I don't know what the last clause means. Lighter to whom? So that what/who can feel lighter?
Ragav & Sudarshan aren't going to feel lighter, unless maybe Ragav is carrying Sudarchan who is carrying the bags.
The bags aren't going to feel anything at all to Ragav & Sudarshan if they're on the mules. And they won't feel lighter to the mules since the mules weren't carrying them before.

jutfrank · Apr 1, 2020

Remember to cite the source of any sentence you ask about.

jutfrank · Apr 1, 2020

Jacek, I can't tell what difference you have in mind. Don't your two sentences mean the same thing?

Raymott said:
But I don't know what the last clause means. Lighter to whom? So that what/who can feel lighter?
Ragav & Sudarshan aren't going to feel lighter, unless maybe Ragav is carrying Sudarchan who is carrying the bags.
The bags aren't going to feel anything at all to Ragav & Sudarshan if they're on the mules. And they won't feel lighter to the mules since the mules weren't carrying them before.

So that Ragav and Sudarshan could both feel less weight bearing down on them.

Tdol · Apr 1, 2020

How about:

The next morning we moved towards Bedni Bughiyal; the trail was very beautiful, and this time Ragav & Sudarshan decided to let the mules carry their bags so that they can feel lighter?

emsr2d2 · Apr 1, 2020

Did you notice that Tdol used a semi-colon instead of a comma after "towards Bedni Bughiyal"? The comma in post #1 was incorrect. I don't know if you transcribed it incorrectly or if the error appeared in the original.

Raymott · Apr 2, 2020

I've never heard of this construction - that you can put down a weight you carrying and you feel lighter.
Is it a British usage?

Tarheel · Apr 2, 2020

After reading post #8 I think I get it. However, I would say:

They had the mules carry the bags because they didn't want to.

Or something like that.

(The "feel lighter" thing is apparently a Britishism.)

jutfrank · Apr 2, 2020

Are we really to conclude that the idea of feeling lighter after shedding a burden doesn't make much sense to speakers unfamiliar with British English? :shock:

Raymott · Apr 3, 2020

You can conclude that it doesn't sound natural to at least two non-British people. It's not a matter of not making sense or not being able to work out what it means. It's common to say "That feels lighter", meaning the situation with the load, not the person.

jutfrank · Apr 3, 2020

Raymott said:
You can conclude that it doesn't sound natural to at least two non-British people.

Unfortunately, that's not a very useful lesson to learn from this. I was hoping for a few more answers.

It's not a matter of not making sense or not being able to work out what it means.

Judging from your post #2, it clearly is.

Tarheel · Apr 5, 2020

jutfrank said:
Are we really to conclude that the idea of feeling lighter after shedding a burden doesn't make much sense to speakers unfamiliar with British English? :shock:

I would say my load feels lighter, not that I feel lighter. However, I understand the phrase. (Now I do.)

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