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    #1

    milk is rotten

    I've once heard that "This milk is rotten" is not English because "rotten" is not used for milk. Instead, we should say, "This milk is bad."


    Do you ever say, "This cake is rotten"?
    Are there any oher things that cannot be used with the word "rotten"?


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    Re: milk is rotten

    The milk is off.
    The milk has turned. (referring to 'turning sour')

    The cake is stale.

    'rotten' implies a state of decay, and we would talk about eggs being rotten if when cracked, they smell foul (giving off "rotten egg gas"); and foods showing signs somewhere between having fungus growing on them, to when maggots are present!


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    Re: milk is rotten

    I may have an ill-conceived idea, but in my mind the process of rotting is associated with the decomposition of organic materials that contain high levels of fiber. Rotten to the core is another kettle of fish.

    Cheese is an extracted part of milk that undergoes digestion by microorganisms.
    While rotten cheese sounds good to me, interestingly, rotten milk does not. Bad milk and (crying over) spoilt milk are possible collocations.

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    Re: milk is rotten

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post
    I may have an ill-conceived idea, but in my mind the process of rotting is associated with the decomposition of organic materials that contain high levels of fiber. Rotten to the core is another kettle of fish.

    Cheese is an extracted part of milk that undergoes digestion by microorganisms.
    While rotten cheese sounds good to me, interestingly, rotten milk does not. Bad milk and (crying over) spoilt milk are possible collocations.
    Isn't it "spilt" (or in some parts of the world "spilled")?

    "Rotten to the core" isn't unrelated; the image is off a piece of severely rotten fruit - all the edible bits, as far down as the core, are rotten. Connoisseurs of obscure kitchen utensils may be interested in this: Google Image Result for http://www.thebaytree.com.au/new%20site/images/imgstove/fishkettle180.jpg

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    Re: milk is rotten

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Isn't it "spilt" (or in some parts of the world "spilled")?

    "Rotten to the core" isn't unrelated; the image is off a piece of severely rotten fruit - all the edible bits, as far down as the core, are rotten. Connoisseurs of obscure kitchen utensils may be interested in this: Google Image Result for http://www.thebaytree.com.au/new%20site/images/imgstove/fishkettle180.jpg

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    Even so, milk can be spoilt, can it not?

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    Re: milk is rotten

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post


    Even so, milk can be spoilt, can it not?
    If the cow dotes too much on it?


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    Re: milk is rotten

    Like a spoilt child, yes.
    But even otherwise, like this, though not in passive voice, I guess:

    to become bad, or unfit for use, as food or other perishable substances; become tainted or putrid: Milk spoils if not refrigerated.

    Spoilt Definition | Definition of Spoilt at Dictionary.com

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    Re: milk is rotten

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post


    Even so, milk can be spoilt, can it not?
    According to the dictionaries, yes; however, maybe its a dialect thing, because in North American English, pronunciation [1] sounds rather odd:
    [1] ?The milk was spoilt = spoil[t].
    [2] The child was spoilt = spoil[t].

    [3] The milk was spoiled = spoil[d].

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    #9

    Re: milk is rotten

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post


    Even so, milk can be spoilt, can it not?
    Indeed it can. But we were talking about collocations, and as far as I know 'no use crying over spoilt milk' isn't one.

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    Re: milk is rotten

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Indeed it can. But we were talking about collocations, and as far as I know 'no use crying over spoilt milk' isn't one.

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    No Bob, with the idiom I wanted to show that 'spoilt milk' is used, but my attempt spang back into my face.
    I only do not screw up those things which are impossible to screw up, nothing more.

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