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    Are the following sentences correct?

    He said that we had class tomorrow.

    and

    He said that we have class tomorrow.

    If yes, would they imply the same.

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    Re: tenses

    Hello,

    I think the first is not correct, you use the verb 'had', had is the past simple for have, and in the same sentence you write tomorrow.

    Tomorrow sugests the use of future or present tense.

    I am not a teacher but the second phrase seems to be the best one.

    Have a nice day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mamen View Post
    Are the following sentences correct?

    He said that we had class tomorrow.

    and

    He said that we have class tomorrow.

    If yes, would they imply the same.
    Both are correct. Grammar books typically teach that in reported speech the verb that comes after the reporting verb uses the same tense. However, when speaking of facts that in context are not changeable, we may use the present to follow a past tense reporting verb, generally speaking. For practical purposes, I don't think many people would notice which you use, past or present, in an example sentence like yours, especially in spoken language.

    Here's another example:

    She said she lived in Cambridge. - Context would tell us whether she still lives in Cambridge or not. As this statement is isolated, without context, one can't really say which is true.

    She said she lives in Cambridge. - She now lives in Cambridge. Even as an isolated sentence without context, we know that this is true now, assuming she's not lying.

    She said she used to live in Cambridge. - She clearly does not live in Cambridge any longer.



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    Re: tenses

    It makes no sense to say "He said that we had (a) class tomorrow.", when we can say the much more sensible "He said that we have (a) class tomorrow."


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    He said that we had class tomorrow.
    This is not correct English.
    When we report other people's thoughts, we can give the exact words. We can also make somebody's words or thoughts part of our own sentence, using conjunctions, and changining pronouns, tenses (if necessary) and adjuncts of time.

    Your options are:
    - He said, "We have class tomorrow."
    - He said (that) we had class the next day.
    - He said (that) we have class tomorrow.


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    Re: tenses

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    Are the following sentences correct?

    He said that we had class tomorrow.

    and

    He said that we have class tomorrow.

    If yes, would they imply the same.

    This is not correct English.
    When we report other people's thoughts, we can give the exact words. We can also make somebody's words or thoughts part of our own sentence, using conjunctions, and changining pronouns, tenses (if necessary) and adjuncts of time.

    Your options are:
    - He said, "We have class tomorrow."
    - He said (that) we had class the next day.
    - He said (that) we have class tomorrow.
    Hello svartnik,
    your first and second are o.k.
    But the third one is not correct.


    Any explanations for the third one?

    Thank you.
    Last edited by chellamuthu; 04-Aug-2009 at 08:12. Reason: for giving reference


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    It makes no sense to say "He said that we had (a) class tomorrow.", when we can say the much more sensible "He said that we have (a) class tomorrow."
    While it may not make sense to some of us, it's just the sort of thing that many more of us say every day, which is to simply say it's not incorrect.



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    Quote Originally Posted by chellamuthu View Post
    - He said (that) we have class tomorrow.
    But the third one is not correct.

    Any explanations for the third one?

    Thank you.
    Hi,

    No, it is fine, and actually the most frequent among the three versions.
    In indirect speech, verbs are generally ‘backshifted’ in tense to align them with the time of reporting. Backshift, however, is optional when what was said applies equally at the time of reporting.

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    Re: tenses

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post
    Your options are:
    - He said, "We have class tomorrow."
    - He said (that) we had class the next day.
    - He said (that) we have class tomorrow.
    Is it true that the next day = tomorrow.

    If yes, we can also say "He said (that) we had class tomorrow." Can't we?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mamen View Post
    Is it true that the next day = tomorrow.

    Not exactly. Tomorrow relates to the present time, while "the next day" does not. Both mean, however, one day ahead from the act of utterance.
    Quote Originally Posted by mamen View Post
    If yes, we can also say "He said (that) we had class tomorrow." Can't we?
    Hi

    No. The time adjunct changes in reported speech from "tomorrow" to "the next/following day."

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