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    Grammar

    Are both of the following sentences correct?

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    Re: Grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by chanbr View Post
    Are both of the following sentences correct?

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    Yes, they are both fine.


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    Yes, the preposition "of" is optional after "all".


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    Re: Grammar

    But it sounds better with it; it's implied and omitted in the other.


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    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    But it sounds better with it; it's implied and omitted in the other.
    I don't think it sounds better. How it sounds either way is rather subjective in my opinion. Also, in typical conversational language, using one or the other would hardly be a consideration. I wouldn't say that it's a choice that's at the height of native speaker awareness when speaking.



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    Re: Grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by PROESL View Post
    Yes, the preposition "of" is optional after "all".

    I'm not so sure. What about "all of you?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    I'm not so sure. What about "all of you?"
    Yes, but you Americans also say "off of", so you might be more inclined to put 'of' in in other places as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Yes, but you Americans also say "off of", so you might be more inclined to put 'of' in in other places as well.
    I am an American that does not say "off of". I feel that this is a rather hasty generalization in a certain manner of speaking - as it were.


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    Speaking of haste-- the "rule" according to which Monty proposes "of" can be omitted after all" seems hasty to me. I see it working well for nouns, but pronouns seem to require the preposition: "I love all of them equally." "I am speaking to all of you."


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    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    I'm not so sure. What about "all of you?"
    That wouldn't work because the definite article is gone. And we would hardly ever, if at all, put a definite article before a personal pronoun. That wouldn't work out too well. It would be bound to have catastophic consequences, hurling the language into a dark abyss, the likes of which it has never known before. It could happen in a very rare circumstance, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

    This link could help provide additional perspective to this chat, though it seems to leave out one of the word combinations we are talking about here. I suppose I could look in Practical English Usage as well, but I don't feel like picking it up to look in it at the moment. I'm looking right at it. Maybe later, if I feel so inclined. Or maybe they'll just put that book online. It's been around long enough, hasn't it?

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