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    Hi,

    I would like to know, where the usage of itself and only at the end of sentence is correct or incorrect. And what are the reasons for it?

    I am from France itself.
    I am going to the market for this only.

    I am from india itself.

    This is incorrect, beacuse "itself" is a reflexive pronoun and has to point back/reflect back to subject, over here I is the subject and itself does not reflect back to it.

    Correct me if i am wrong...Thanks

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    Re: Usage of Itself and Only

    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    Hi,

    I would like to know, where the usage of itself and only at the end of sentence is correct or incorrect. And what are the reasons for it?

    I am from France itself.
    I am going to the market for this only.

    I am from india itself.

    This is incorrect, beacuse "itself" is a reflexive pronoun and has to point back/reflect back to subject, over here I is the subject and itself does not reflect back to it.

    Correct me if i am wrong...Thanks
    This has been answered recently.
    Briefly, yes you are wrong. The sentence "I am from India itself" is correct.
    Some Indians are born in Fiji; some are born in Nepal or Pakistan. I am from India itself.

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    Re: Usage of Itself and Only

    Hi anupumh


    • I am from France itself.
    • I am from India itself.


    Above, reflexive itself modifies the nouns France and India. Change the pronoun to myself and it would modify the subject I.

    Now, as to whetherusing itself is in that way, to modify a country, is "correct", that's debatable. While both of the example sentences make sense, the use of itself isn't generally used in that way in North American English. Let's wait to see what the Brits, Indians, and Aussies have to say.

    As for,

    • I am going to the market for this only

    it's another way of saying only this, just this one thing.

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    Re: Usage of Itself and Only

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    Hi anupumh


    • I am from France itself.
    • I am from India itself.


    Above, reflexive itself modifies the nouns France and India. Change the pronoun to myself and it would modify the subject I.

    Now, as to whetherusing itself is in that way, to modify a country, is "correct", that's debatable. While both of the example sentences make sense, the use of itself isn't generally used in that way in North American English. Let's wait to see what the Brits, Indians, and Aussies have to say.

    As for,

    • I am going to the market for this only

    it's another way of saying only this, just this one thing.
    We wouldn't say it that way in BrE but it is quite usual in Indian English.

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    What I would like to know is what that reflexive pronoun adds to the meaning of the sentence? I do think it is extremely redundant.

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    Re: Usage of Itself and Only

    According to this site, itself, used in that way, is "an emphatic appositive of
    it, which, that, this, or a noun: which itself is also true; Even without flowers, the bowl itself is beautiful."

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    Re: Usage of Itself and Only

    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    I am from india itself.

    This is incorrect, beacuse "itself" is a reflexive pronoun and has to point back/reflect back to subject, over here I is the subject and itself does not reflect back to it.
    I don't think that, when used in this way, it is a reflexive pronoun, rather an emphatic pronoun used in apposition to a noun. Thus there is nothing grammatically wrong with the sentence. I agree with other posters that it sounds a bit odd, in my (British) English dialect.

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    Re: Usage of Itself and Only

    My question is, how is the pronoun in bowel itself and Indian itself different from an intensive pronoun; e.g., It, itself, did it? Or are they one and the same? Are they all intensive pronouns?


    Also, from another site:

    'The boy saw HIMSELF in the mirror.' ... REFLEXIVE pronoun

    'I know the boy HIMSELF.' ... EMPHATIC pronoun

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    Re: Usage of Itself and Only

    Sorry, our posts seem to have crossed. I think we are trying to make the same point.

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    Re: Usage of Itself and Only

    Quote Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    I don't think that, when used in this way, it is a reflexive pronoun, rather an emphatic pronoun used in apposition to a noun. Thus there is nothing grammatically wrong with the sentence. I agree with other posters that it sounds a bit odd, in my (British) English dialect.
    You're absolutely right about that.

    Still, in the sentence with the itself following the country India, the pronoun sounds and looks odd. The following are typical examples of the emphatic pronoun:
    With all the surrounding countries taking new shape, India itself is now a different place in the region.
    There are now over half a million users of Tata cars in India itself/alone.

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