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    I would like to know the difference between "1" and "2"
    1. An ass hearing some grasshoppers chirping, was highly enchanted.
    2. An ass having heard some grasshoppers chirping, was highly enchanted

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    Quote Originally Posted by wowenglish1 View Post
    I would like to know the difference between "1" and "2"
    1. An ass after hearing some grasshoppers chirping, was highly enchanted. Or After hearing some grasshoppers chirping, an ass was highly enchanted.
    2. An ass having heard some grasshoppers chirping, was highly enchanted
    You have to use the preposition 'after' in the first sentence. Then, the meaning is the same.

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    Re: having

    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    You have to use the preposition 'after' in the first sentence. Then, the meaning is the same.
    Why don't you use after in the second example?


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    Re: having

    Quote Originally Posted by dawoodusmani View Post
    Why don't you use after in the second example?
    I think that after is not necessary in the second sentence.

    It can be also written as,

    Having heard some grasshoppers chirping, an ass was highly enchanted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dawoodusmani View Post
    Why don't you use after in the second example?
    The grammatical structre of the second sentence is OK. It does not need any change or modification

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    Re: having

    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    The grammatical structre of the second sentence is OK. It does not need any change or modification
    I don't agree. Both with or without 'after' are correct. I'm a bit pushed for time. I'll comment on it more later when I have some free time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dawoodusmani View Post
    Why don't you use after in the second example?
    The phrase "having heard some grasshoppers chirpiing" already means "after". This phrase is a reduction of "because an ass heard some grasshoppers chirping". So we don't need to say "after" in this case because the ass was, in fact, only enchanted after it heard the grasshoppers chirping. The grammar of the sentence tells us this. To include "after" could be redundant, or maybe it could, also, be pleonastic.


    2. An ass having heard some grasshoppers chirping, was highly enchanted.
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    Re: having

    1. An ass after hearing some grasshoppers chirping, was highly enchanted. Or After hearing some grasshoppers chirping, an ass was highly enchanted.


    1. An ass, hearing some grasshoppers chirping, was highly enchanted. Or After hearing some grasshoppers chirping, an ass was highly enchanted. - Without "after", this sentences means "when the ass heard some grassphoppers chirping" or "upon hearing some grasshoppers chirping". In other words it means "at the very moment".



    1. An ass, after hearing some grasshoppers chirping, was highly enchanted. Or: After hearing some grasshoppers chirping, an ass was highly enchanted. - This clearly tells us that the ass was enchanted only after hearing some grasshoppers chirping and not necessarily at the very moment he heard the chirping. However, it's possible that the ass was enchanted very soon after hearing the grasshoppers chirping - like about one or two seconds after. This would, or could, make the meaning of both sentences almost identical. It's not very likely that an ass would have been enchanted after a substantial amount of time passed. Asses are animals that are easily enchanted.

    With one hour having passed after hearing the grasshoppers chirping, the ass suddenly was enchanted. - This is not likely. One hour? How long does it take to become enchanted by the chirping of grasshoppers? I'm usually enchanted immediately when I hear grasshoppers chirping, and I'm not even an ass.


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