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    #1

    Very confusing ㅠㅠ

    Hi, guys,
    I'm very confusing between A and C as an answer.
    I need expert opinions. Please help. Thank you.

    W: Pete, why are you shredding so many files?
    M: Didnt the boss say all yellow files had to be shredded?
    W: No, not all of them, just those dated before 2006.
    M: Are you kidding me? Ive been shredding everything!
    W: Oh no! How many have you done?
    M: Most of them! Oh boy, Im in big trouble.

    Q. What can be inferred from the conversation?
    A. The man was given incorrect instructions.
    B. The woman is misinformed about the files.
    C. The boss was not closely supervising the man.
    D. The company does not endorse file shredding.


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    Re: Very confusing ㅠㅠ

    The only thing we can infer from the details of the conversation is A) The man was given incorrect instructions. (We have to assume that the man accurately recalls exactly what the boss said.)

    Answer C)
    The boss was not closely supervising the man scarcely needs to be inferred because it is thunderingly obvious. If the boss were supervising him, he wouldn't be standing there shredding important files, right?

    *It's true, but it's not the point.*

    The point that we can infer from the conversation is that he was given incorrect (or at least incomplete) instructions.

    Hope this makes sense.

    Greg

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    Re: Very confusing ㅠㅠ

    Quote Originally Posted by juliana0403 View Post
    Hi, guys,
    I'm very confused between A and C as an answer.
    The question is confusing, so you are confused.

    I need expert opinions. Please help. Thank you.

    W: Pete, why are you shredding so many files?
    M: Didn’t the boss say all yellow files had to be shredded?
    W: No, not all of them, just those dated before 2006.
    M: Are you kidding me? I’ve been shredding everything!
    W: Oh no! How many have you done?
    M: Most of them! Oh boy, I’m in big trouble.

    Q. What can be inferred from the conversation?
    A. The man was given incorrect instructions.
    B. The woman is misinformed about the files.
    C. The boss was not closely supervising the man.
    D. The company does not endorse file shredding.
    You can only infer C.
    You can't infer A unless you assume that W has the correct advice and M doesn't. That is, B could be true.
    There is just as much evidence for B as for A - both inconclusive.


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    Re: Very confusing ㅠㅠ

    You can't infer A unless you assume that W has the correct advice and M doesn't.
    Right, which is precisely what I am assuming.

    I see your point...but to me this seems like a reasonable and necessary assumption in the context. In other words, it seems very reasonable to me to assume the woman already knows that only yellow files dated before 2006 should be shredded because she is familiar with the company's policies and generally knows what's going on—and not because she just happened to be standing there in the room when the boss told the man whatever he told him (which is possible, I agree). Thus my inference that the boss's instructions to the man were unclear or incomplete, or the man just heard him wrong and so came away with the wrong idea. It is also possible the boss assumed the man understood that aspect of the instructions without emphasizing it specifically. But the bottom line is that the man has the wrong information.

    For example, look at what he says: "Didn’t the boss say all yellow files had to be shredded?" The negative question seems to suggest that suddenly he's not sure of what he was told; he thought he was supposed to shred all the yellow files, but the woman's reaction now has him doubting his instructions. To me, the man's negative question is the smoking gun, so to speak.

    I agree that it's rather inconclusive, because it does depend on underlying assumptions. Maybe you're right...maybe that's the point: everything else rests on some manner of assumption, however reasonable. As obvious as it is, C) is the only thing we know for sure without assuming anything. It's also starting to give me a headache!

    Greg
    Last edited by dragn; 27-Aug-2009 at 10:39.

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    Re: Very confusing ㅠㅠ

    Quote Originally Posted by dragn View Post
    I see your point...but to me this seems like a reasonable and necessary assumption in the context. In other words, it seems very reasonable to me to assume the woman already knows that only yellow files dated before 2006 should be shredded because she is familiar with the company's policies and generally knows what's going onand not because she just happened to be standing there in the room when the boss told the man whatever he told him (which is possible, I agree).
    That's your assumption.
    My assumption might be that the man was given the correct instructions. The tax people are coming and all yellow forms are to be shredded. The woman, who does know the usual policy, is wrong in this case.
    If this were right, B is correct.

    BUT,the question asks about what can be inferred from the conversation, not what can be inferred from the conversation and any other assumptions you care to make.

    Neither of our assumptions is relevant.
    If the boss was closely supervising the man, this conversation would not have happened. True, that's an assumption too, but it's a universal assumption about how people behave, not an assumption about the details of this specific case.
    So, C is the only logical inference.


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    Re: Very confusing ㅠㅠ

    Sorry Raymott, I tacked on the last bit to my last post before I read your response. By gosh, I think you finally persuaded me.

    Greg

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    Re: Very confusing ㅠㅠ

    I choose "A. The man was given incorrect instructions."

    I think It would be better if the sentence had been given as "A. The man was given incomplete instructions."

    If you ask why i didn't choose "C" , as far as i know the word "supervising" implies that his boss is around him to oversee him all the time or most of the time,am i right?(English is not my mother language so i might be wrong).

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    Re: Very confusing ㅠㅠ

    Quote Originally Posted by juliana0403 View Post
    Hi, guys,
    I'm very confusing between A and C as an answer.
    I need expert opinions. Please help. Thank you.

    W: Pete, why are you shredding so many files?
    M: Didnt the boss say all yellow files had to be shredded?
    W: No, not all of them, just those dated before 2006.
    M: Are you kidding me? Ive been shredding everything!
    W: Oh no! How many have you done?
    M: Most of them! Oh boy, Im in big trouble.

    Q. What can be inferred from the conversation?
    A. The man was given incorrect instructions.
    B. The woman is misinformed about the files.
    C. The boss was not closely supervising the man.
    D. The company does not endorse file shredding.
    I don't know what level of student this is aimed at, but given that the answer is evidently highly debateable for native English speakers (teachers), I hope that it's for advanced students.
    In my view A. B. and C. could all be possible contenders but none is perfect.

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