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    if = although

    I have just realized that "if" may stand for "althouhg" in some situations.

    I have a feeling about it, for example the two first sentences above seem to be wrong:
    a) If I have been studying English for some years, sometimes it is still hard to understand it. (it should read although)
    b) Although you study more, you will be able to understand it better. (it should read if)

    Whilst the two next ones seem to be correct:
    c) A straightforward calculation, if tedious, leads to the final solution.
    d) Reading more English texts, if hard, will improve your English.

    In sentences "c" and "d" the if maybe substituted by although.

    But I can't explain why sentences "c" and "d" are correct and "a" and "b" are wrong. Are there any grammar rules here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymnisky View Post
    I have just realized that "if" may stand for "althouhg" in some situations.

    I have a feeling about it, for example the two first sentences above seem to be wrong:
    a) If I have been studying English for some years, sometimes it is still hard to understand it. (it should read although)
    To express an idea of contrast “although” is the appropriate word on the other hand “if” is only used to link a conditional clause as below
    b) Although you study more, you will be able to understand it better. (it should read if)

    Whilst the two next ones seem to be correct:
    c) A straightforward calculation, if tedious, leads to the final solution.
    d) Reading more English texts, if hard, will improve your English.
    Here the condition given is negative but the outcome is positive (contrasting), therefore since condition is there “if” is a natural choice but because of contrast “although” can also be used.

    In sentences "c" and "d" the if maybe substituted by although.

    But I can't explain why sentences "c" and "d" are correct and "a" and "b" are wrong. Are there any grammar rules here?
    An interesting question indeed!
    Last edited by sarat_106; 03-Sep-2009 at 10:54.

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    #3

    Re: if = although

    I am still a bit confused about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymnisky View Post
    I am still a bit confused about this.
    It could be because the problem is a bit tricky and it is also to be accepted that "if" and "although" are not synonymous although they are interchangeable at time under certain conditions. However, I think "although" can be synonym "even if". Accordingly, two conditional statements expressing contrasting ideas can be joined by either conjucuntion "although" or "even if". Let us see how this fits into the example senteces:
    a) Even if I have been studying English for some years, sometimes it is still hard to understand it. (even if can be replaced by although)
    Another example:
    Even if (Although)she survives, she'll never fully recover.

    I hope this helps.
    Last edited by sarat_106; 05-Sep-2009 at 06:11.

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    Re: if = although

    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    However, I think "although" can be synonym "even if".
    a) Even if I have been studying English for some years, sometimes it is still hard to understand it. (even if can be replaced by although)
    Another example:
    Even if (Although)she survives, she'll never fully recover.

    I hope this helps.
    I think the idea is interesting sara_106, but I think it is not quite the point yet
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    On one hand:
    Even if she survives, she'll never fully recover brings the idea that it is more likely that she will not survive, but there is some real possibility that she will survive. Then, considering the case that she survives, she will never fully recover.

    On the other hand:
    Although she survives gives immeditately the contrast idea you mentioned. I wasn't aware of this use of although with simple present of the verb survive. The sentence "Although she survives, she'll never fully recover" seems strange to me.

    Regarding the other example
    Even if I have been studying English for some years, sometimes it is still hard to understand it.
    I can't understand that if - I seems to be somewhat out of place. I would say:
    Even though I have been studying English for some years, sometimes it is still hard to understand it.

    Hmm, that's it. I think "even though" = "although"
    What do you say?

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    Re: if = although

    It's not peculiar to English, it's just a rhetorical device for introducing two vaguely differing clauses: If I have been watching football, I still don't know the rules. I find it's more common in Romance languages than English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymnisky View Post
    I think the idea is interesting sara_106, but I think it is not quite the point yet
    .
    On one hand:
    Even if she survives, she'll never fully recover brings the idea that it is more likely that she will not survive, but there is some real possibility that she will survive. Then, considering the case that she survives, she will never fully recover.

    On the other hand:
    Although she survives gives immeditately the contrast idea you mentioned. I wasn't aware of this use of although with simple present of the verb survive. The sentence "Although she survives, she'll never fully recover" seems strange to me.

    Regarding the other example
    Even if I have been studying English for some years, sometimes it is still hard to understand it.
    I can't understand that if - I seems to be somewhat out of place. I would say:
    Even though I have been studying English for some years, sometimes it is still hard to understand it.

    Hmm, that's it. I think "even though" = "although"
    What do you say?
    Yes, it looks more appropriate. But "though' also expresses contrasting idea. The extracts from a website explaining the difference among the three is reproduced below:
    Although vs Though vs Even though

    Although - linking word - expresses the idea of contrast.
    e.g - Although Amit has a car, he doesn't often drives it.
    The clause with although can come at the end.

    e.g - Although the cafe was crowded, we found a table. OR We found a table, although the cafe was crowded.

    Though - is informal. It means the same as although.
    e.g - Though / Although I liked the sweater, I decided not to buy it.
    We can use though at the end of a sentence.

    e.g - I liked the sweater. I decided not to buy it, though.

    Even though - is stronger, more emphatic than although.
    1). Ram looked quite fresh, even though he'd been playing cricket.
    2). Even though you dislike Sanya, you should try to be nice to her.

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    Re: if = although

    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    a) Even if I have been studying English for some years, sometimes it is still hard to understand it.
    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    If I have been watching football, I still don't know the rules.
    I wasn't really aware of those possibilities.
    That is something new to me.
    I'll gather them in my English armory.
    Nice style.

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