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    real bad

    Hello teachers,

    I just wonder why the bad (adjective) is used as adverb in the sentence below.

    The phone lines were torn up real bad.


    Hope you can help me with this. Thanks.


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    Re: real bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdie11 View Post
    Hello teachers,

    I just wonder why the bad (adjective) is used as adverb in the sentence below.

    The phone lines were torn up real bad.

    Hope you can help me with this. Thanks.

    adv. Usage Problem.

    USAGE NOTE Bad is often used as an adverb in sentences such as The house was shaken up pretty bad or We need water bad. This usage is common in informal speech but is widely regarded as unacceptable in formal writing. In an earlier survey, the sentence His tooth ached so bad he could not sleep was unacceptable to 92 percent of the Usage Panel. •

    Read more here: bad: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com

    The colloquial use of "bad" as an adverb is okay with me despite what the usage panel says. It wouldn't surprise me if some members of the usage panel actually use "bad" as an adverb in real life.
    Last edited by PROESL; 03-Sep-2009 at 17:01.


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    Re: real bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdie11 View Post
    Hello teachers,

    I just wonder why the bad (adjective) is used as adverb in the sentence below.

    The phone lines were torn up real bad.

    Hope you can help me with this. Thanks.
    The next "disputed usage" here is "real". Some people don't like us to use "real" as an adverb.

    adv. Informal.
    Very: I'm real sorry about that.

    I feel the same way about "real" as an adverb as I do about "bad" - no problem. It's doesn't represent formal language, however.

    real: West's Encyclopedia of American Law (Full Article) from Answers.com

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    Re: real bad

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdie11 View Post
    Hello teachers,

    I just wonder why the bad (adjective) is used as adverb in the sentence below.

    The phone lines were torn up real bad.


    Hope you can help me with this. Thanks.
    This is not acceptable English, what ever certain other members may say. I would advise you very strongly not to use this kind of language in your English class.

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    Re: real bad

    friends,

    are these phrases acceptable?

    I want it so bad, I'd kill one.
    I want it so badly, I'd kill one.

    Thank you.

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    Re: real bad

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    friends,

    are these phrases acceptable?

    I want it so bad, I'd kill one.
    I want it so badly, I'd kill one.

    Thank you.
    The second one is fine.

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    Re: real bad

    Alright. I haven't seen 'so bad' beeing used like that, ever. However , I decided to do some searching, cutting to the chase, found these sentences on both corpora of English:

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    He wanted out of there real bad. So we got him up, no problem. And now the captain is

    Is she crying real bad? Will they be able to get the IV in? Will it take a...

    What if it hurts real bad? I was tripping myself out pondering all the what-ifs

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    He wanted a bathroom real bad . Well, dreams are cheap, aren't they?

    What I needed was medicine, real bad . And I needed my dry bed of Bibles

    I had a cute little collie dog, but one day he bit me real bad . I've hated dogs ever since


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    Re: real bad

    Quote Originally Posted by marciobarbalho View Post
    friends,

    are these phrases acceptable?

    I want it so bad, I'd kill one.
    I want it so badly, I'd kill one.

    Thank you.


    Yes, they're acceptable. Just take a look at the usage note on "bad" which is included in my first post in this thread. Now it says something about 92% percent of the usage panel not accepting "bad" as an adverb. I would suggest that the other 8% of them are more in touch with the reality of everyday usage and have no problem accepting it because they probably use "bad" as an adverb themselves. So are we going say that 8% of the people on the much-esteemed usage panel of the American Heritage Dictionary have poor language skills? Well, I should think not. Huff!

    I want it so bad, I'd kill one. - Labeled as infomal or colloquial, but widely used - very common - correct and perfectly acceptable in everyday ordinary conversation - informal, however - labeled as a "usage problem" in the dictionary

    I want it so badly, I'd kill one. - Correct
    Last edited by PROESL; 03-Sep-2009 at 19:06.


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    Re: real bad

    Quote Originally Posted by marciobarbalho View Post
    Alright. I haven't seen 'so bad' beeing used like that, ever. However , I decided to do some searching, cutting to the chase, found these sentences on both corpora of English:

    American Corpus

    He wanted out of there real bad. So we got him up, no problem. And now the captain is

    Is she crying real bad? Will they be able to get the IV in? Will it take a...

    What if it hurts real bad? I was tripping myself out pondering all the what-ifs

    British Corpus

    He wanted a bathroom real bad . Well, dreams are cheap, aren't they?

    What I needed was medicine, real bad . And I needed my dry bed of Bibles

    I had a cute little collie dog, but one day he bit me real bad . I've hated dogs ever since
    Yeah, it's informal language, and that's the way people talk. It's informal language, but it's not the sort of thing that makes one sound unintelligent. Of course, a number of other people would dare to not to agree with me. But that's how it goes. This sort of usage would be best avoided in more formal situations. This depends on what you mean by "formal situations", however.

    Last edited by PROESL; 03-Sep-2009 at 19:05.


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    Smile Re: real bad

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    This is not acceptable English, what ever certain other members may say. I would advise you very strongly not to use this kind of language in your English class.
    Are you referring to "moi" when you say "certain other members"?


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