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    (had) happened

    Hi

    It was the first time that something like this had happened to me.

    --- Should it be "had happened" or just "happened" or maybe "has happened"?

    thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by GUEST2008 View Post
    Hi

    It was the first time that something like this had happened to me.

    --- Should it be "had happened" or just "happened" or maybe "has happened"?

    thanks
    Both are correct. There's a way to justify using both simple past and past perfect here. Do you know what those justifications would be? If you can explain it yourself, then this will further your understanding as you progress (and maybe you'll be less likely to ask a question later, not that there's anything wrong with questions, however). If not, just post a follow-up question, and I'll add more.



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    As you are saying "the first time", then one may conclude that it happened to you other times, which would not make the present perfect possible - "has happened to me". However, if that one time was the only time, then you could say "That was the only time something like that has ever happened to me".

    It might seem to me that using "that" in place of "this" could be more likely, as "that" indicates distance, in this case distance in time, and "this" indicates something closer, in this case closer in time. It's not wrong to use "this", however. This all has to do with the speaker's viewpoint. It has nothing to do with structures of grammar. It could go either way. It just seems to me that "that" might be more likely here.
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    Hi

    I know why I should use the past perfect, but don't know why the past simple works here as well?

    It's the first time I've seen the queen. (one tense backwards)
    It was the first time I had done it. (one tense backwards)

    I think this is how it works :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by GUEST2008 View Post
    Hi

    I know why I should use the past perfect, but don't know why the past simple works here as well?

    It's the first time I've seen the queen. (one tense backwards)
    It was the first time I had done it. (one tense backwards)

    I think this is how it works :)
    That's one way of looking at why and how we use past perfect.

    The reason that the simple past works as well in the example sentence in your first post is because we can describe the action as one completed action in the past. We can also imagine that, given the context, this was an action or event completed up to or at a specific time in the past relevant to the context, which, of course, makes the past perfect possible.

    It was the first time that something like this had happened to me. << Nothing like that happened to you up until that time in the past; therefore, the past perfect is possible, and, of course, the simple past because, as I said before, it's one completed action or event in the past. Also, the context, or lack of context, does not require the use of the past perfect in order to clearly know what came first and what came second. What a native speaker might choose to say when there's a choice of this kind is not predictable.

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    So it's also correct to say: It's the first time I saw the queen??? It was the 1st time I did it.

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    Hi,

    I have attached a good document to explain the difference and usage of Present Perfect, Simple Past and Past Perfect Tenses.

    I hope this proves useful to all users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GUEST2008 View Post
    So it's also correct to say: It's the first time I saw the queen??? It was the 1st time I did it.
    Almost, but not quite. Your first example sentence uses "was" in the first clause. Take a look at the examples:

    That was the first time I saw the queen.

    It's the only time I've ever seen the queen. Also, but not as clear, "It's the only time I've seen the queen." We could presume that the speaker has only seen the queen once; therefore, it's not absolutely necessary to use "ever", but using "ever" adds clarity, as I see it.

    Or - That's the only time I've ever seen the queen.

    Reported speech - He said that was the only time he had ever seen the queen. He said that was the only time he has ever seen the queen.

    Both are possible with reported speech.


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