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    The studentdecided that he wouldn't watch TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement he feels.

    Is there any wrong with the above sentence?

    Please help.

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    Exclamation Re: feel

    Quote Originally Posted by kiranlegend View Post
    The studentdecided that he wouldn't watch TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement he feels.

    Is there any wrong with the above sentence?

    Please help.

    Thanks

    Kiran
    Yes, This is a complex sentence and structurally the third clause “he feels” needs a change of tense form and conjunction.
    You can say: The student decided that he wouldn't watch TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement which he might feel.
    But you can express the same thought in a more natural way by reducing the dependant clauses to one; as:
    The student decided to refrain from watching TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement that he might feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    Yes, This is a complex sentence and structurally the third clause “he feels” needs a change of tense form and conjunction.
    You can say: The student decided that he wouldn't watch TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement which he might feel.
    But you can express the same thought in a more natural way by reducing the dependant clauses to one; as:
    The student decided to refrain from watching TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement that he might feel.

    This would also work:
    The student decided to refrain from watching TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement that he felt
    .

    Another example.
    I decided not to eat the ice cream no matter how hungry I got/might get.

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    Re: feel

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post

    This would also work:
    The student decided to refrain from watching TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement that he felt
    .

    Another example.
    I decided not to eat the ice cream no matter how hungry I got/might get.
    aah.. during these times when I read something very new and utterly unexpected, i get this feeling that every subject is so vast, and I feel that a human life is so small to know every thing, and consequently every one of us is missing so many good things that we might have showed interest in.

    Coming to my questions:) :

    1. This would also work. I always have an apprehension when it comes to usage of would. Would is used in the following situations, right? :

    a) to indicate future of the past.
    b) in subjunctival conditionals.
    c) to express desire ( I would like to).

    But Would used here doesn't fall in any of the above categories. Please clear this doubt.


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    student decided to refrain from watching TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement that he felt.

    felt is in past tense, but how come it indicate something that is going to happen in the future?

    Please help

    Kiran

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    Re: feel

    Quote Originally Posted by kiranlegend View Post
    aah.. during these times when I read something very new and utterly unexpected, i get this feeling that every subject is so vast, and I feel that a human life is so small to know every thing, and consequently every one of us is missing so many good things that we might have showed interest in.

    Coming to my questions:) :

    1. This would also work. I always have an apprehension when it comes to usage of would. Would is used in the following situations, right? :

    a) to indicate future of the past.
    b) in subjunctival conditionals.
    c) to express desire ( I would like to).

    But Would used here doesn't fall in any of the above categories. Please clear this doubt.

    d) the politeness function
    Would you pass the salt? not Pass the salt.
    This would also work = This also works.
    The "would here means: If you want another version; if you're not happy with the above; if you want to use it.
    It means that I'm not disagreeing with sarat, and I'm not telling you to use this form, but if you wanted to use it, it would work.
    Note that you don't have to consciously think all of the above (any more than you would about 'Would you pass the salt, please'); it's just a style of speech that's very common in English.

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    student decided to refrain from watching TV for the next one month irrespective of the lure and enticement that he felt.

    felt is in past tense, but how come it indicate something that is going to happen in the future?
    It's subjunctive. Not everyone would use the grammatical term "subjunctive" to explain this; but it in the absence of a more appropriate term, it's subjunctive. He hasn't felt it yet; he might not feel it. So it's hypothetical, contrary to current fact.

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    Thanks to both of you:)

    Dear Raymott,

    Could you please tell me what 'would' here 'Not everyone would use the grammatical term "subjunctive" to explain this' signifies? the politeness function?


    thanks

    Kiran

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    Re: feel

    Quote Originally Posted by kiranlegend View Post
    Thanks to both of you:)

    Dear Raymott,

    Could you please tell me what 'would' here 'Not everyone would use the grammatical term "subjunctive" to explain this' signifies? the politeness function?


    thanks

    Kiran
    I don't think you categories of "would" are all that good:
    Can you write a sentence using "would" in sense a) ?
    a) to indicate future of the past. ?"future of the past"?
    b) in
    subjunctival conditionals. They don't have to be subjunctive (see below).
    c) to express desire ( I would like to). Yes

    d) politeness function Yes

    In this case, it's conditional, but the "if" clause is implicit.
    Not everyone would use the term "subjunctive" to explain this. =
    Not everyone would use the term "subjunctive" if they had to explain this.

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