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    anybody knows it?

    Hey all,

    For making a question, which one of the following two is correct as for daily informal conversation use:

    1-Anybody knows what happened?
    2-Anybody know what happened?

    In other words, What are the rules that one can follow for dropping auxiliary verbs in daily conversations? and is it correct for american slang only?

    Thank You all in advance.

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    Re: anybody knows it?

    Yes, it's American slang. The second is the one we would use in quick speech. The first is possible, but less likely. It implies, "Is there anybody who..." rather than the second, which implies "Does anybody know..."


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    Re: anybody knows it?

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    Yes, it's American slang. The second is the one we would use in quick speech. The first is possible, but less likely. It implies, "Is there anybody who..." rather than the second, which implies "Does anybody know..."
    I don't think the first one implies "Is there anyone who knows?"

    I don't think "Anyone knows?" is possible at all.

    The second one is just a case of dropping "Does" and leaving the rest intact:

    "(Does) Anyone know what happened?"
    "(Has) Anyone seen my book?"
    "(Did) Anyone notice what time it was?"
    "(Did you) See anything?"


    I've noticed a strong tendency in American spoken English to drop subjects as well. Do you know of any description of the "systematics" of this practice? Is it done just from arbitrary custom? Or is there a pattern?

    "Going swimming?"

    "Sure. Wanna come?"

    "Can't. Got too much work to do."

    "Okay. See ya."

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    Re: anybody knows it?

    Here's someone who used it:

    Anybody knows what's happening during upgrades? - MobileRead Forums

    He even rephrases it in the body of his query, as "is there anybody who..."

    So I think it's not impossible. Seems the Bostonians are having some sort of over-zealous tea party today. I wonder what's in their tea?

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    Re: anybody knows it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sayd19 View Post
    Hey all,

    For making a question, which one of the following two is correct as for daily informal conversation use:

    1-Anybody knows what happened?
    2-Anybody know what happened?

    In other words, What are the rules that one can follow for dropping auxiliary verbs in daily conversations? and is it correct for american slang only?

    Thank You all in advance.
    I am not a professional teacher. I can say that option two is not US English only. It is very common in NZE and from my experience seems to be just as common in BrE and AusE also. I have never heard or read option 1 before and agree with those who find it unlikely. Option 2 is very common in informal spoken English. I would not call it slang, simply informal.

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    #6

    Re: anybody knows it?

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    Yes, but they seem to let just anyone on the net these days.


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    Re: anybody knows it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Yes, but they seem to let just anyone on the net these days.
    It's a worrisome trend.

    Next thing you know, inaccuracies might creep in.

    And if that happened, who knows what would be next -- conspiracy theories?

    At least we can be confident that it won't have pictures of people with no clothes on!


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    Re: anybody knows it?

    Thank you all for replies.

    Well, I still see the first sentence correct. I think it might be a short form of "Could you tell me if anybody knows it?".
    So, what are your opinions regarding the previous explaination?

    After reading the previous posts, I really got confused. It seems there is no rule for dropping or omitting words in the informal speech. For that, it will be difficult for foreign people to learn English because there is no rules.

    One more thing, it is very easy for anyone to find mistakes in internet posts. So, I don't think that internet can be used as a reference to prove the correction of any grammar issue.

    Well, hope to recieve your replies again

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    Re: anybody knows it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sayd19 View Post
    Thank you all for replies.

    Well, I still see the first sentence correct. I think it might be a short form of "Could you tell me if anybody knows it?".
    So, what are your opinions regarding the previous explaination?

    After reading the previous posts, I really got confused. It seems there is no rule for dropping or omitting words in the informal speech. For that, it will be difficult for foreign people to learn English because there is no rules.

    One more thing, it is very easy for anyone to find mistakes in internet posts. So, I don't think that internet can be used as a reference to prove the correction of any grammar issue.

    Well, hope to recieve your replies again

    Sayd, in my opinion the expanded form you suggest above is possible but is not likely to be the most common. This is because "could you tell me..."is a polite form of request and is therefore unlikely to be dropped or omitted on the basis that it is implied.

    The idiomatic nature of the contraction is not a feature unique to English. EVERY language "breaks its own rules"in ways that are challenging for new learners to grasp and become comfortable with.

    The exchange between Raymott and Ann was largely jocular. They were making jokes aobut the very fact you mention, gthat the Internet is notorious for serving as a medium for the dissemination of inaccuracies. Here is a little cartoon that addresses the same issue:
    xkcd - A Webcomic - Duty Calls - HOSTED BY GEOCITIES

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    Re: anybody knows it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Yes, but they seem to let just anyone on the net these days.
    Looks that way. But I just chose the one example, there are tens of thousands available, by native speakers. I do agree 1 is less likely though.

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