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    Zero or Definite Article?

    Hello,

    Do we say: Why does he go to club? or Why does he go to the club?

    I thought both are possible whether we want to stress the abstract meaning of 'club' as in the first example (zero article), or the physical meaning of it (definite article) as in the second example although I was told that the first one is wrong.

    What do you think?

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    Re: Zero or Definite Article?

    Quote Originally Posted by Futuresound View Post
    Hello,

    Do we say: Why does he go to club? or Why does he go to the club?

    I thought both are possible whether we want to stress the abstract meaning of 'club' as in the first example (zero article), or the physical meaning of it (definite article) as in the second example although I was told that the first one is wrong.

    What do you think?
    You need "the". "Go to club" is wrong.

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    Re: Zero or Definite Article?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    You need "the". "Go to club" is wrong.
    I also "feel" one really needs the definite article here. But I do not know how to explain the reason.


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    Re: Zero or Definite Article?

    Thank you all for replying. I was told that 'club' should be used with 'the'. However, there are some stances when we drop 'the' to refer to the abstract meaning of the noun used. This is according to some individual research of the 'English Articels'. For example, if asked to find the difference between the following sentences, would you be able to figure it out correctly? Which one do you think is more correct?

    1. I met her at college.
    2. I met her at the college.

    If you know the answer, please do reply. I think this is a very important linguistic area that's worth discussion.

    Thank you again.

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    Re: Zero or Definite Article?

    Hello Futuresound

    In answer to your question, "the" is a definer; it defines:

    1. I met her at college.
    2. I met her at the college down the street.
    3. I met her at the college. <the only one in our town>


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    Re: Zero or Definite Article?

    Thank you Soup. Your answer is logical. However, the meanings I have are:

    1. I met her at college (when I was a student, regarding the main subject as part of that institution)

    2. I met her at the college (talking about the 'college' as a building, 'physical appearance', whether it's the only college or not, and not necessarily regarding the subject as part of it)

    Now, back to the main question: Is the case of 'club' the same as 'school' or not? because if it were the same case, then we would use 'club' without the definite article.

    What do you think friend?

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    Re: Zero or Definite Article?

    Quote Originally Posted by Futuresound View Post
    Is the case of 'club' the same as 'school' or not? because if it were the same case, then we would use 'club' without the definite article.
    You can indeed use club without a definite article, but not in the sense of a bar, as in clubbing; i.e., dancing:


    an activity club
    • He likes club.
    • She goes to club every Friday night.

    a bar
    • He likes club.
    • She goes to club every Friday night.


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    Re: Zero or Definite Article?

    Thank you so much Soup. Your reply is really helpful.

    But, do you have a reference link to that you said? (URL or summat?)

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    Re: Zero or Definite Article?

    Quote Originally Posted by Futuresound View Post
    Thank you so much Soup. Your reply is really helpful.

    But, do you have a reference link to that you said? (URL or summat?)
    You are most welcome for the help.

    Sorry, I do not have a URL to offer at this time, but I can provide another example:


    • They go to BINGO every night. <an event>
    • They go to the BINGO (hall) every night. <place>


    With 'the', the noun BINGO becomes a place to go to, whereas without 'the' that noun becomes a thing, an activity or event.

    Note, the noun club is ambiguous. It could mean an activity or a bar. Which is why this phrase 'go club' might sound awkward at first to native speakers. They are expecting to hear about a place, not an event or activity--and the reason they suggest adding 'the'. Without 'the' is not ungrammatical, however. It's perfectly good, understandable English. It's its semantics that throws one off.

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    Re: Zero or Definite Article?

    May be I can explain this....

    Rule: you dont use article before singular proper nouns.
    When acting as an event ..They go to BINGO every night.
    Here Bingo is used as a singular proper noun

    They go to the BINGO (hall) every night. <place>
    Here Bingo is a countable noun and so we use article. As bingo is specific so we use a definate artcile.

    http://www.uvu.edu/owl/infor/pdf/gra...e/Articles.pdf

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