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    Could someone help me?

    Please, could someone tell me if the two following sentences are correct?
    - She was talking with Norman that(or whom?) she knew was shy.
    - No other child helped Richard.
    Thank you very much.

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    Re: Could someone help me?

    Hi Murielle


    • She was talking with Norman whom she knew was shy.


    The relative pronoun whom refers to/stands for/replaces the noun Norman. Whom takes -m because it refers to/stands for/replaces the object of the verb knew:


    • ...whom she knew was shy.
    • She knew Norman was shy.


    Who works just as well:


    • ... who she knew was shy.


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    Re: Could someone help me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    Hi Murielle


    • She was talking with Norman whom she knew was shy.

    She was talking with Norman. She knew (that) Norman (=who) was shy.

    The object of 'knew' is surely not 'Norman'. Soup is a good grammarian, but this time I am surprised by her comments.
    Back to track, the object of 'knew' in

    She was talking with Norman, who -- she knew -- was shy.

    is the subordinate nominal 'that' clause: who (=Norman) was shy. (she knew (that) who was shy)

    The nonrestrictive relative pronoun that introduces the adjectival clause is in nominative case - no 'whom' but 'who'.

    QED.

    If I am not right with my analysis, which I seriously doubt, a painful reform of my view on English syntax is ahead of me.

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    Re: Could someone help me?

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post

    If I am not right with my analysis, which I seriously doubt, a painful reform of my view on English syntax is ahead of me.
    You've convinced me.

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    Re: Could someone help me?

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post
    She was talking with Norman. She knew (that) Norman (=who) was shy.

    The object of 'knew' is surely not 'Norman'.
    It certainly is not. I stand corrected. Thank you for pointing that out to me.

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    • She was talking with Norman, whom I knew.

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