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    This sentence, which was written by a Canadian journalist, struck me as odd:


    The whole process of coming up with the 120 names on the NBA’s all-star ballot that was unveiled Tuesday, isn’t as easy as you’d think.

    Shouldn't it read:


    The whole process of coming up with the 120 names on the NBA’s all-star ballot, which was unveiled Tuesday, isn’t as easy as you’d think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post

    Shouldn't it read:


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    Doch! Yes. The first strikes me as correct too if the comma is removed before the linking verb.

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    #3

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    I prefer the second version too, or the first without the comma.


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    Only 'which' is correct.

    The whole process ... that was unveiled Tuesday, isn’t as easy as you’d think.

    What was unveiled was NOT 'the whole process', so 'that' does not identify it.

    The whole process of coming up with the 120 names on the NBA’s all-star ballot...isn’t as easy as you’d think.

    Hence, 'which was unveiled on Tuesday' is merely added information, referring to the ballot, and requires "..., which..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excalibur View Post
    Only 'which' is correct.
    Nonsense (unless you're agreeing with svartnik and me about the comma).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Nonsense (unless you're agreeing with svartnik and me about the comma).
    Why is it nonsense? One would not introduce a nonrestrictive clause with "that."

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    I think Raymott might mean that the which/that distinction is dying a rather fast death in AusE and AmE (though I still observe it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    Why is it nonsense? One would not introduce a nonrestrictive clause with "that."
    The whole process of coming up with the 120 names on the NBA’s all-star ballot that was unveiled Tuesday isn’t as easy as you’d think.

    Perhaps not, but is it a non-restrictive clause?
    Without commas, it makes sense. The 120 names are on [the NBA’s all-star ballot that was unveiled Tuesday].
    Without commas it is a restrictive clause which clarifies which ballot is being referred to. Obviously "which" is the only possibility if your meaning requires "which", but that is begging the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    The whole process of coming up with the 120 names on the NBA’s all-star ballot that was unveiled Tuesday isn’t as easy as you’d think.

    Perhaps not, but is it a non-restrictive clause?
    Without commas, it makes sense. The 120 names are on [the NBA’s all-star ballot that was unveiled Tuesday].
    Without commas it is a restrictive clause which clarifies which ballot is being referred to. Obviously "which" is the only possibility if your meaning requires "which", but that is begging the question.
    Wouldn't using "that" imply that more than one NBA all-star ballot was unveiled?
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    Re: which

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    Wouldn't using "that" imply that more than one NBA all-star ballot was unveiled on Tuesday?
    No, it only implies that there is more than one NBA all-star ballot.
    He is talking about the one which was released on Tuesday, not the one for next month, or the amended one released yesterday, or the updated one which takes injuries into account and which will be released next week.
    He is restricting it to the one that/which was unveiled Tuesday.

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