include or includes

[goodstudent]

Example 1 > The softwares I have used includes abc software, efg software and xyz software.

Example 2 > The phones I have used includes nokia and samsung.

Hello,

For the 2 sentences in the example, should I used includes or include?

Thanks

 

[RonBee]

First, it should be software. (The word software is its own plural.) Say: "The software I have used include abc software, efg software and xyz software." Also, say: "The phones I have used include Nokia and Samsung."

 

[ha179]

Not a teacher

Example 1 > The pieces of software[STRIKE]s[/STRIKE] I have used include[STRIKE]s[/STRIKE] abc software, efg software and xyz software.

Example 2 > The phones I have used include[STRIKE]s[/STRIKE] nokia and samsung.

Hello,

For the 2 sentences in the example, should I used includes or include?

Thanks

('software' is an uncountable noun)

 

[RonBee]

Example 1 > The softwares I have used includes abc software, efg software and xyz software.

Example 2 > The phones I have used includes nokia and samsung.

Hello,

For the 2 sentences in the example, should I used includes or include?

The singular is includes. (He includes me in everything.) The plural is include. In the first example, we don't know that software is plural until we know that we are talking about three kinds of software. In the second example, we know, of course, that phones is plural. In both cases, use include.

 

[goodstudent]

Thanks for the replies,

I have some more questions.

Example A) The software I have used includes abc software.
Example B) The software includes free updates for life.
Example C) The software include free updates for life.
Example D) The software comes with free updates for life.
Example E) The software come with free updates for life.

Are these sentences right?

 

[bhaisahab]

Thanks for the replies,

I have some more questions.

Example A) The software I have used includes abc software.
Example B) The software includes free updates for life.
Example C) The software include free updates for life.
Example D) The software comes with free updates for life.
Example E) The software come with free updates for life.

Are these sentences right?

"Software", as has already been explained by the other posters, is an uncountable noun, it is always treated as singular grammatically, so C) and E) are wrong.

 

[Excalibur]

The softwares I have used includes abc software, efg software and xyz software.

This problem doesn't arise, because your sentence would be phrased differently:

"The software I have used includes Microsoft WORD, SAGE Payroll v2009, and..."

 

[RonBee]

"Software", as has already been explained by the other posters, is an uncountable noun, it is always treated as singular grammatically, so C) and E) are wrong.

I second that opinion. (Yes, I realize this means I am disagreeing somewhat with what I said previously. Who's perfect? ;-))

 

[Soup]

I second that opinion. (Yes, I realize this means I am disagreeing somewhat with what I said previously. Who's perfect? ;-))

You'll always be perfect in my books, Ron. Luv ya. :-D;-)

 

[RonBee]

;-)

 

[Excalibur]

Where did this idea of 'human perfection' come from, which we now so automatically expect of ourselves - particularly of Moderators in this forum? Will it get to the point that 'human perfection' is considered tautology... when the two words are virtually antonyms!

The day I stop making mistakes, call the undertaker.

 

[RonBee]

Where did this idea of 'human perfection' come from, which we now so automatically expect of ourselves - particularly of Moderators in this forum? Will it get to the point that 'human perfection' is considered tautology... when the two words are virtually antonyms!

The day I stop making mistakes, call the undertaker.

I don't expect perfection of myself, but when I do make a mistake I correct it as soon as possible. You are right that nobody is perfect. That includes the moderators of this forum. ("To err is human.")

I have to move on now to something else.

 

[Excalibur]

I don't expect perfection of myself, but when I do make a mistake I correct it as soon as possible. You are right that nobody is perfect. That includes the moderators of this forum. ("To err is human.")

Listen to yourself.

Listen to the light-hearted response I originally made.

I can't help you more than that on your way through life, mate.