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    since when did you come

    I would like to know the exact meaning of since in this context:

    "Since when did you come here?"

    It's different from the "since" in "Since two years ago, I have been lonely."

    since
    adv. 1. From then until now or between then and now
    2. Before now; ago
    3. After some point in the past; at a subsequent time

    prep.

    1. Continuously from
    2. Intermittently from


    conj.
    1. During the period subsequent to the time when
    2. Continuously from the time when
    3. In as much as; because

    Thanks for the help.

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    Re: since when did you come

    Not a teacher.
    In my dictionary they write:
    since when? used when you are showing that you are angry about sth:
    Since when did he ever listen to me?
    I think in your sentence:'Since when did you come here?', 'since when' is not different from 'when' except it express the speaker's attitude.
    By the way, your example is not correct, it should be 'for two years' instead of 'since two years ago' because my teacher said never use 'ago' after 'since'.

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    Exclamation Re: since when did you come

    Quote Originally Posted by lycen View Post
    I would like to know the exact meaning of since in this context:

    "Since when did you come here?"

    It's different from the "since" in "Since two years ago, I have been lonely."

    since
    adv. 1. From then until now or between then and now
    2. Before now; ago
    3. After some point in the past; at a subsequent time

    prep.

    1. Continuously from
    2. Intermittently from


    conj.
    1. During the period subsequent to the time when
    2. Continuously from the time when
    3. In as much as; because

    Thanks for the help.
    Here finding a separate meaning of since is difficult because Since when is an idiom meaning: for how long have you believed
    Used in form of question when you do not believe or want to be sure about a particular attitude or situation/action is right or true. Here is an appropriate application:
    Manager: You've been assigned to the night Shift, John.
    John: since when?
    Your sentence could be rewritten as:
    Since when did you get the right/permission to come here?"
    Last edited by sarat_106; 24-Nov-2009 at 03:58.


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    Re: since when did you come

    Quote Originally Posted by ha179 View Post
    Not a teacher.
    In my dictionary they write:
    since when? used when you are showing that you are angry about sth:
    Since when did he ever listen to me?
    I think in your sentence:'Since when did you come here?', 'since when' is not different from 'when' except it express the speaker's attitude.
    By the way, your example is not correct, it should be 'for two years' instead of 'since two years ago' because my teacher said never use 'ago' after 'since'.
    I'm very sure "since for 2 years" is wrong. I'm a native speaker of English and I have never in my life heard that. Contrary to what you've said, "since years ago" and even "since a long time ago" are very common expression amongst native speakers of English. Thanks, for your opinion nevertheless.
    Last edited by lycen; 23-Nov-2009 at 23:34.

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    Re: since when did you come

    Quote Originally Posted by lycen View Post
    I'm very sure "since for 2 years" is wrong. I'm a native speaker of English and I have never in my life heard that. Contrary to what you've said, "since years ago" and even "since a long time ago" are very common expression amongst native speakers of English. Thanks, for your opinion nevertheless.
    I didn't write 'since for two years', I wrote 'for two years'. What I meant was using 'for' instead of 'since' in this case.
    Last edited by ha179; 24-Nov-2009 at 12:33.

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    Exclamation Re: since when did you come

    Quote Originally Posted by ha179 View Post
    Not a teacher.
    In my dictionary they write:
    since when? used when you are showing that you are angry about sth:
    Since when did he ever listen to me?
    I think in your sentence:'Since when did you come here?', 'since when' is not different from 'when' except it express the speaker's attitude.
    By the way, your example is not correct, it should be 'for two years' instead of 'since two years ago' because my teacher said never use 'ago' after 'since'.
    You are right.
    Since is usually followed by a time expression ('last year', 'this morning', ' 10 o'clock' etc or by the simple past tense)
    He is ill since last week/two months./a long time.(but not two weeks ago or a long time ago)
    I have loved this place since I first visited it.
    Use for when you state the length of time that something has been happening
    We have known each other for ten years (NOT since ten years ago).
    I haven't seen him for ages (NOT since ages or a long ago).

    "Since when" is an Idiom. It consists of a preposition (since) and an adverb (when) . You need a noun after a preposition. So native speakers make "when" into a noun. So it really means : Since which time. However it is normally used in questions to show that you are very surprised or angry:
    Here's an example:
    Why do you want me to leave the library now. It's only 3 p.m.
    (I'm sorry, but now a days we close at 3 p.m. )
    Since when did you start closing so early?
    (Since last week)
    Last edited by sarat_106; 24-Nov-2009 at 07:09.


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    Re: since when did you come

    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    You are right.
    Since is usually followed by a time expression ('last year', 'this morning', ' 10 o'clock' etc or by the simple past tense)
    He is ill since last week/two months./a long time.(but not two weeks ago or a long time ago)
    I have loved this place since I first visited it.
    Use for when you state the length of time that something has been happening
    We have known each other for ten years (NOT since ten years ago).
    I haven't seen him for ages (NOT since ages or a long ago).

    "Since when" is an Idiom. It consists of a preposition (since) and an adverb (when) . You need a noun after a preposition. So native speakers make "when" into a noun. So it really means : Since which time. However it is normally used in questions to show that you are very surprised or angry:
    Here's an example:
    Why do you want me to leave the library now. It's only 3 p.m.
    (I'm sorry, but now a days we close at 3 p.m. )
    Since when did you start closing so early?
    (Since last week)
    I beg to differ.

    Apparently, "since a long time ago" is used since a long time ago - definition of since a long time ago by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/SINCEALONGTIMEAGO

    http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...+long+time+ago

    "Since years ago" in Robert Louis Stevenson's poem:
    http://www.eliteskills.com/analysis_...n_analysis.php
    Last edited by lycen; 26-Nov-2009 at 19:14.

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    Re: since when did you come

    "Since a long time ago" is correct.


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    Re: since when did you come

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    "Since a long time ago" is correct.
    Absolutely.

    Quote Originally Posted by lycen View Post

    "Since when did you come here?"
    This is not correct standard English. 'come' is a telic verb in the sentence. It denotes an event that took place in the past. Since implies a time-span that extends to the present. The two facts are at odds with each other.


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    Re: since when did you come

    Quote Originally Posted by Kondorosi View Post
    Absolutely.



    This is not correct standard English. 'come' is a telic verb in the sentence. It denotes an event that took place in the past. Since implies a time-span that extends to the present. The two facts are at odds with each other.
    I was thinking about this too. Apparently, "since when did you.." is a commonplace in spoken English. As what sarat said, "since when" is idiomatic and in this context it's close to the meaning of "when" as in "when did you..". However, "since when" shows more of a surprise or disbelief than "when".
    Last edited by lycen; 26-Nov-2009 at 23:13.

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