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    #1

    "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    Hello,
    A while ago we said there is no "having" if its meaning is "owning".
    Example:
    "I'm having a problem" is wrong, because "own" could replace the have.
    "I'm having a bath" is right, because "own" could not replace it.

    The question now:
    Are there also other such words which cannot be used with the (as a) gerund?
    In a game I play there is no "controlling".
    The announcer says:
    "Blue team controls the countdown node"
    Logically, "is controlling" would be the better thing, but it reminds me of the "having"-problem.

    I hope the question is clear enough

    Cheers!


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    #2

    Re: "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    We would say I have a problem (although I am having a problem is possible). Also, we would say I am taking a bath.

    I'm having trouble understanding the question. Could you rephrase it?



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    #3

    Re: "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    Hello,
    A while ago we said there is no "having" if its meaning is "owning".
    Example:
    "I'm having a problem" is wrong, because "own" could replace the have.
    "I'm having a bath" is right, because "own" could not replace it.

    The question now:
    Are there also other such words which cannot be used with the (as a) gerund?
    In a game I play there is no "controlling".
    The announcer says:
    "Blue team controls the countdown node"
    Logically, "is controlling" would be the better thing, but it reminds me of the "having"-problem.

    I hope the question is clear enough

    Cheers!

    For the duration of this game the blue team controls the countdown mode. In gaming, we have a time limit for play, in life we have a limit on the time we live. Something that is generally true in our life we describe with the simple present, the sun rises in the morning, for example. So something that is generally true in a game we also describe with the simple present.

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    Re: "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    For the duration of this game the blue team controls the countdown mode. In gaming, we have a time limit for play, in life we have a limit on the time we live. Something that is generally true in our life we describe with the simple present, the sun rises in the morning, for example. So something that is generally true in a game we also describe with the simple present.
    That is certainly true, but the question I am having trouble understanding is:
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    Are there also other such words which cannot be used with the (as a) gerund?





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    Re: "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    That is certainly true, but the question I am having trouble understanding is:
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    Are there also other such words which cannot be used with the (as a) gerund?




    Yes, i'm having problems with that one as well.

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    #6

    Re: "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    First off: Thank you.

    Here is a post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    You can have a good time. I'm having a good time.
    You can have a bath. I was having a bath when the phone rang.
    You can have a car, But not "I was having a car" -- that's the "to own" meaning of "to have" and THAT is the one that doesn't work in progressive.
    Gerund (At least this is what I know) you add an -ing
    Have -> Having
    However, to write "I'm having a problem" seems to be wrong (same as having a car)!
    That means you cannot make a gerund of have in this case.

    And the question is if there are also other verbs (like have - that can belong to "to own") which cannot use the gerund-form as well.
    My thought was "control" could be one of them since the game says "controls", not "controlling", which would be as logically as "having a problem", but is wrong.



    Cheers!

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    #7

    Re: "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    "I have a car" is generally used to mean the same thing as "I own a car". You wouldn't say "I am owning a car," thus you wouldn't use "I am having a car" with the same meaning.

    A gerund is an -ing verb used as a noun. And "having" is, as far as I know, never used as a gerund.

    There are plenty of verbs that you can't make gerunds out of, but as far as I know there aren't any others (in addition to "have") that have mean own.


    Does that help?



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    Re: "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    A gerund is an -ing verb used as a noun. And "having" is, as far as I know, never used as a gerund.
    But you wrote it as well!?
    "Having trouble".
    Or was this on purpose to make a joke?


    There are plenty of verbs that you can't make gerunds out of, but as far as I know there aren't any others (in addition to "have") that have mean own.
    This means "to control" could be one of them

    Does that help?


    We'll see...

    Thanks

    Cheers!

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    #9

    Re: "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    A gerund is an -ing verb used as a noun. And "having" is, as far as I know, never used as a gerund.
    Having said that, sometimes having too much fun in the forum confuses people.

    May I offer a simple rule, Nightmare85?
    If you could interchange "having" and "experiencing" in your sentence, then the use of "having" is fine.

    "Those teachers are having too much fun."
    "I'm having trouble understanding this."
    "I'm having a headache."

    I think you're trying to resolve this paradox: "I'm having a problem" doesn't necessarily mean "I'm owning a problem" even though the problem is mine.

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    #10

    Re: "Control" instead of "is controlling"

    Quote Originally Posted by syku View Post
    May I offer a simple rule, Nightmare85?
    If you could interchange "having" and "experiencing" in your sentence, then the use of "having" is fine.
    Good advice!


    Quote Originally Posted by syku View Post
    I think you're trying to resolve this paradox: "I'm having a problem" doesn't necessarily mean "I'm owning a problem" even though the problem is mine.

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