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    #1

    "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    Hello,
    I don't know if this applies to English, too.
    In German, it is bad to start something with "I".
    Example:
    Question:
    Who will be at the party tonight?

    Bad answer:
    I, Tom, and Mark will be at the party tonight.
    Good answer:
    Tom, Mark, and I will be at the party tonight.

    But as said: This is for the German language!
    What about English?
    Doesn't it matter if you tell yourself first and then the rest?
    Or is it better first to tell all the others and to tell yourself in the end?

    Cheers!

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    #2

    Re: "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    Or is it better first to tell all the others and to tell yourself in the end?
    Yes, it's about being polite.
    Cheers!

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    #3

    Re: "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    Hello,
    I don't know if this applies to English, too.
    In German, it is bad to start something with "I".
    Example:
    Question:
    Who will be at the party tonight?
    Bad answer:
    I, Tom, and Mark will be at the party tonight.
    Good answer:
    Tom, Mark, and I will be at the party tonight.

    But as said: This is for the German language!
    What about English?
    Doesn't it matter if you tell yourself first and then the rest?
    Or is it better first to tell all the others and to tell yourself in the end?

    Cheers!

    An acceptable answer would also be "I will be at the pary, and of course Tom and Mark will be there also."

    Ich bin auch keine Leherin.

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    #4

    Re: "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    In polite society, we English always put ourselves last.
    We always say, "My wife and I...", "My brother and I" and so on.

    However, in general conversation it's not uncommon for people to combine two mistakes: they use "me" when they should use "I" and they put "me" first.

    "Who's coming to the party?"
    "Well, me and Joe will be there."

    "What was that all about?"
    "Me and Mum were arguing about my girlfriend."

    That's very common and wouldn't raise any eyebrows.


    buggles (not a teacher)

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    #5

    Re: "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    Quote Originally Posted by Searching for language View Post
    An acceptable answer would also be "I will be at the pary, and of course Tom and Mark will be there also."

    Ich bin auch keine Leherin.
    Who's Leherin?

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    #6

    Re: "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    Thank you all for your replies!

    Quote Originally Posted by Offroad View Post
    Who's Leherin?
    No, she means she is not a teacher.
    (The German word "Lehrerin" = female teacher.)

    Cheers!

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    #7

    Re: "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    Quote Originally Posted by buggles View Post
    In polite society, we English always put ourselves last.
    We always say, "My wife and I...", "My brother and I" and so on.

    However, in general conversation it's not uncommon for people to combine two mistakes: they use "me" when they should use "I" and they put "me" first.

    "Who's coming to the party?"
    "Well, me and Joe will be there."

    "What was that all about?"
    "Me and Mum were arguing about my girlfriend."

    That's very common and wouldn't raise any eyebrows.


    buggles (not a teacher)
    It would raise MY eyebrows. It makes a person sound very uneducated.

    Unless, of course, you are Janis Joplin and you are riding with Bobby McGee.

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    #8

    Re: "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    Quote Originally Posted by kfredson View Post
    It would raise MY eyebrows. It makes a person sound very uneducated.

    Unless, of course, you are Janis Joplin and you are riding with Bobby McGee.

    I'm afraid British English has become somewhat "dumbed down" in recent years and those who say, "Tom and I" rather than "Me and Tom" tend to be regarded as a bit posh! Sad, but true!

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    #9

    Re: "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    Still sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    #10

    Re: "I and Tom" instead of "Tom and I"

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Still sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me.

    And so it should!

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