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    I have a question for one of your English teachers in this forum. Will you please read the following sentence and tell me whether it is correct or not?
    "Not until yesterday had I realized how fat I was when I suddenly looked into the mirror. "

    By the way, will you explain to me the word, "for", when it means," because". I often read sentences in fictions with ", for", which means "because". How do I use it in this context?
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    Re: two questions needed to be answered

    Quote Originally Posted by fruitcakes View Post
    I have a question for one of your English teachers in this forum. Please you please read the following sentence and tell me whether it is correct or not?
    "Not until yesterday had I realized how fat I was when I suddenly looked into the mirror. "

    By the way, will you explain to me the word, "for", when it means," because". I often read sentences in fictions with ", for", which means "because". How do I use it in this context?
    It's better like this:
    "Not until yesterday, when I suddenly looked in the mirror, did I realize how fat I was." or "I hadn't realized how fat I was, until I looked in the mirror yesterday".


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    Re: two questions needed to be answered

    What do you mean by saying one thing is better than another? If I prefer a slightly old form of English, can I say what I said?
    Last edited by fruitcakes; 12-Jan-2010 at 14:51.


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    Re: two questions needed to be answered

    All opinions welcomed. Please give me an advice.
    Not until yesterday had I arrived at the decision to read more when I made an ungramatical sentence in my writing. OK or wrong?
    Please. Answers badly needed.
    Last edited by fruitcakes; 12-Jan-2010 at 10:52.

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    Re: two questions needed to be answered

    "Not until yesterday had I realized how fat I was when I suddenly looked into the mirror. "

    If you write it like this, it is confusing, it looks like you suddenly looked in the mirror after you realized how fat you were.

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    Re: two questions needed to be answered

    Quote Originally Posted by fruitcakes View Post
    All opinions welcomed. Please give me an advice.
    Not until yesterday had I arrived at the decision to read more when I made an ungramatical sentence in my writing. OK or wrong?
    Please. Answers badly needed.
    This sounds like you "made" an ungrammatical sentence after arriving at the decision to read more.

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    Re: two questions needed to be answered

    Quote Originally Posted by fruitcakes View Post
    All opinions welcomed. Please give me an advice.
    Not until yesterday had I arrived at the decision to read more when I made an ungramatical sentence in my writing. OK or wrong?
    Please. Answers badly needed.
    I don't see the point of your use of the past perfect in either of your examples.
    Not until yesterday did I arrive at the decision to read more after I wrote an ungrammatical sentence.
    Not until yesterday did I realize how fat I was after/when I suddenly looked into the mirror.

    It might sound acceptable in your native North Polar English, but I agree with bhaisahab - the original sounds weird. If you decide you must use the past perfect, you'd use it for the earlier event:
    Not until yesterday did I realize how fat I was after I had suddenly looked into the mirror.
    But it isn't necessary.


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    Re: two questions needed to be answered

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    This sounds like you "made" an ungrammatical sentence after arriving at the decision to read more.
    That was exactly what I meant. I always wished to read more, but it was not until the moment I found a grammatical mistake that I really made a resolution. Is it OK? Is it grammatically fine?
    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    I don't see the point of your use of the past perfect in either of your examples.
    Not until yesterday did I arrive at the decision to read more after I wrote an ungrammatical sentence.
    Not until yesterday did I realize how fat I was after/when I suddenly looked into the mirror.

    It might sound acceptable in your native North Polar English, but I agree with bhaisahab - the original sounds weird. If you decide you must use the past perfect, you'd use it for the earlier event:
    Not until yesterday did I realize how fat I was after I had suddenly looked into the mirror.
    But it isn't necessary.
    I am sorry. Though I was born among the polar bears, I never heard one of them speak English. They uttered sounds only.
    By the way, the sentence you recommended is not correct. "had"
    does not go well with "suddenly". "had" suggested an action or motive that started since a long time ago. It does not fit into the connotation that " suddenly" brings about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitcakes View Post
    By the way, the sentence you recommended is not correct. "had"
    does not go well with "suddenly".
    You might find, with more experience, that it is correct, and that 'suddenly' does work with the past perfect.
    Then again, you might not.


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    Re: two questions needed to be answered

    You think it is correct when in fact it is not. That's the way you work with grammar. Can You give me an example to show that it is correct, if you have such great experience with the English language?

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