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    #1

    need and be

    Hello all,
    We learned that it's okay to write such sentences:
    You need not watch this movie because it's too boring.
    I need play a game or else I will fall in sleep.


    In these cases need is a modal verb and it does not even need the "to".
    You need not to watch...

    (I hope the things are correct so far.)

    Okay, now the other small question:
    When I use be, is need still a modal verb as in the other sentences?

    You need not be a scientist to find this out.
    You need be a scientist to find this out.
    Are both sentences correct?

    Cheers!


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    Re: need and be

    With semi-modals like need, the use modal construction is restricted to questions and negatives.

    You need not watch this movie because it's too boring.
    I need TO play a game or else I will fall in sleep.

    You need not be a scientist to find this out.
    You need TO be a scientist to find this out.

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    #3

    Re: need and be

    Thanks,
    Okay, I guess and hope these 8 sentences are correct:
    I need not play games today.
    Need I not play games today?
    Needn't I play games today?
    I need to play games today.

    Phil need not be that arrogant.
    Need Phil not be that arrogant?
    Needn't Phil be that arrogant?
    Phil need to be that arrogant.


    P.S. You know who "Phil" is

    Cheers!

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    #4

    Re: need and be

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    Thanks,
    Okay, I guess and hope these 8 sentences are correct:
    I need not play games today.
    Need I not play games today?
    Needn't I play games today?
    I need to play games today.

    Phil need not be that arrogant.
    Need Phil not be that arrogant?
    Needn't Phil be that arrogant?
    Phil needs to be that arrogant.

    P.S. You know who "Phil" is

    Cheers!
    Okay, 1, 4, 5 and 8 are all okay. The others seem quite odd. (And they are unclear as to meaning.) Also, you will hear people say "I need to", but "I need not" isn't that common.



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    #5

    Re: need and be

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    Okay, 1, 4, 5 and 8 are all okay. The others seem quite odd. (And they are unclear as to meaning.) Also, you will hear people say "I need to", but "I need not" isn't that common.


    "I needn't..." is quite common in BrE.

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    #6

    Re: need and be

    Quote Originally Posted by RonBee View Post
    Okay, 1, 4, 5 and 8 are all okay. The others seem quite odd. (And they are unclear as to meaning.) Also, you will hear people say "I need to", but "I need not" isn't that common.


    Thank you.

    So, what are your versions for 2, 3, 6, and 7?
    Do I not need play games today?
    Don't I need play games today?

    Does Phil not need be that arrogant?
    Doesn't Phil need be that arrogant?


    How's that?

    P.S. I miss the "to", but if it's okay without it, then I won't add it.

    Cheers!

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    #7

    Re: need and be

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    Do I not need play games today?
    Don't I need play games today?
    In my opinion, you should use neither one. Instead, say:
    .
    Do I need to play games today? (It's possible that you might say "Don't I need to play games today", but it doesn't seem very likely.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    Does Phil not need be that arrogant?
    Doesn't Phil need be that arrogant?
    Use neither. Instead, say:
    .
    Does Phil need to be that arrogant?


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    #8

    Re: need and be

    I'm starting to think that this "need" stuff is one of the most troublesome issues of English.
    To need or not to need

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    #9

    Re: need and be

    We need words, because without them we coudn't discuss them. We need them to talk about them.


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    #10

    Re: need and be

    Furthermore: We need needs.

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