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    Is "I wish we would have won" correct English?

    I think "I wish we had won" would be the correct construction.

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    Re: would have

    I am an ESL/EFL teacher-in-training, so this is a very interesting question for me. I would say that both are acceptable, but the first sentence employs a marked usage because the construction is longer than necessary. I agree that the second sentence is better, and less marked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    Is "I wish we would have won" correct English?

    I think "I wish we had won" would be the correct construction.

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    I am going to stick my neck out and say that "I wish we would have won" is incorrect. Now I fully expect people of the American persuasion to jump on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    I am going to stick my neck out and say that "I wish we would have won" is incorrect. Now I fully expect people of the American persuasion to jump on me.
    I'll join you. I agree that "wish we would have won" is not correct (and also that there will most likely be some folks who will "wish we would have" considered both forms correct).

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    Re: would have

    Why is "I wish we would have won." 'not correct'?

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    #6

    Re: would have

    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    Why is "I wish we would have won." 'not correct'?
    It could be correct, but it doesn't mean "I wish we had won".

    Newspaper: Unfortunately, the game was washed out. However, if the rain had not come, Team A would have won.
    Member of Team B: Damn, I wish we would have won!

    So it's not exactly incorrect. It's just that there's not much call for it.
    It's easier to understand the difference between a similar pair such as "If he had done something ..." and "If he would have done something ..." which are both meaningful, useful and have different meanings (one being conditional and the other not).
    Also, this:
    https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/a...-he-would.html
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    Re: would have

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    It could be correct, but it doesn't mean "I wish we had won".
    I disagree. What else does it mean?

    Newspaper: Unfortunately, the game was washed out. However, if the rain had not come, Team A would have won.
    Member of Team B: Damn, I wish we would have won! ???
    What Team B said doesn't logically follow what came before.

    So it's not exactly incorrect. It's just that there's not much call for it. \
    And I can say, on a different topic, that very often simple past tense is all one needs. One can use present perfect in the same situuation if one wishes, but there's not much call for it. (= it's not essential)

    So again, there can be more than one correct way of saying something.

    It's easier to understand the difference between a similar pair such as "If he had done something ..." and "If he would have done something ..." which are both meaningful, useful and have different meanings (one being conditional and the other not).
    Yes, except that's not at all the same as our two sentences.

    'I wish we (had)(would have) won.' There is nothing conditional here. The competition is over. Both sentences correctly express regret that we did not win.



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    Re: would have

    There is another problem (at least in my eyes):
    Both versions seem incorrect to me.
    I'll tell you why:
    I wish we will win. -> okay
    I wish we would have won. -> not okay
    I wish we had won. -> not okay


    How can wish be used for the past?
    Why isn't it wished?

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    #9

    Re: would have

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    There is another problem (at least in my eyes):
    Both versions seem incorrect to me.
    I'll tell you why:
    I wish we will win. -> okay Not ok.
    I wish we would have won. -> not okay
    I wish we had won. -> OK

    How can wish be used for the past?
    Why isn't it wished? With "had" it is not necessary to use "wished" in this situation. It is possible, but with a different meaning.

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    #10

    Re: would have

    What's wrong with
    I wish we will win.
    Isn't it correct?

    I know it does not have anything to do with the other sentences.

    Cheers!

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