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  1. Nightmare85_guest
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    "Who found who?"

    Hey guys,
    In order not to forget my question until I'm at home, I will write it now.

    I heard those sentences in songs (yes, I know lyrics can be wrong, but I would like to ask anyway.)

    That's from "Barry Manilow - Copacabana":
    Quote Originally Posted by lyrics
    There was blood and a single gun shot
    But just who shot who?
    That's from "Jellybean - Who Found Who":
    Quote Originally Posted by lyrics
    Dont throw away the chance,
    Cause it might be your last,
    And I wont let you forget
    2. Who, who found who?

    Who ,
    Who found who?
    Now my question:
    Why isn't it:
    Who found whom?
    Who shot whom?


    Would these sentences be the correct versions?

    P.S: A confirmation comes later (that it's my thread -> it's important to me =))

    Cheers!

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    Re: "Who found who?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85_guest View Post
    Hey guys,
    In order not to forget my question until I'm at home, I will write it now.

    I heard those sentences in songs (yes, I know lyrics can be wrong, but I would like to ask anyway.)

    That's from "Barry Manilow - Copacabana":


    That's from "Jellybean - Who Found Who":


    Now my question:
    Why isn't it:
    Who found whom?
    Who shot whom?


    Would these sentences be the correct versions?

    P.S: A confirmation comes later (that it's my thread -> it's important to me =))

    Cheers!
    Yes "who found/shot whom" is correct, but these are popular songs, you can't expect to find good English in popular songs.

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    Re: "Who found who?"

    *Official confirmation that it's my thread*

    Thanks, bhaisahab.

    Cheers!

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    Re: "Who found who?"

    Is it really bad English to say so? I rarely find 'whom' even in literature. I thought it's absolutely OK to say 'who' in these cases except for legal use maybe... Or maybe I'm wrong and my choice of books is to be blamed for it?

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    Re: "Who found who?"

    No, it's not that bad. I rarely use "whom" myself unless it's immediately after a preposition. For whom, to whom, etc. Otherwise, I'm much more likely to say "who."
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: "Who found who?"

    Quote Originally Posted by mmasny View Post
    Is it really bad English to say so? I rarely find 'whom' even in literature. I thought it's absolutely OK to say 'who' in these cases except for legal use maybe... Or maybe I'm wrong and my choice of books is to be blamed for it?
    By the way, would you rather say "I thought it's absolutely OK" or "I thought it was absolutely OK" in this context? I am often uncertain which tense would sound better in such "genral truth" cases.

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    Re: "Who found who?"

    I would recommend keeping the tense consistent.

    I thought it was okay.
    I think it is okay.

    You could say "I think it was okay" to refer to what you STILL think now, about something you saw, heard, did in the past. For example: How was your audition? I think it was okay. I didn't mess anything up.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: "Who found who?"

    Quote Originally Posted by mmasny View Post
    Is it really bad English to say so? I rarely find 'whom' even in literature. I thought it's absolutely OK to say 'who' in these cases except for legal use maybe... Or maybe I'm wrong and my choice of books is to be blamed for it?
    'Whom' is mostly used in more formal language. Directly after a preposition is one case where it does look like an error to say 'who', but I don't hear many people saying things like 'Whom did you see?' in everyday conversation.

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