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    the then President of America
    In this NP, which word class would you assign 'then' to? If possible, please provide motivated reasons for your argument. Thanks.

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    Re: then

    Whats an NP?

    The then president means at that time in the past.

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    Re: then

    It must be an adjective here, it modifies the noun.
    I am not a teacher.

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    Re: then

    Hi,

    NP = N(oun) P(hrase). Mnasy, adjective on the grounds that it modifies President of America?

    *The President of America was then. -- 'then' cannot occure predicatively
    *The [then and young] President.
    *The [very then] President.
    * The [most then] President.
    Which President? *The then one.

    'then' does not manifest its adjectival status in the above sentences, which forces me to think it is not really an adjective.

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    Who cares? It does not follow that you can't run rings around one. Thanks for your input.

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    Hee hee, I'm getting old

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    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    Hi,

    NP = N(oun) P(hrase). Mnasy, adjective on the grounds that it modifies President of America?
    YES
    *The President of America was then. -- 'then' cannot occure predicatively
    *The [then and young] President.
    *The [very then] President.
    Would you say the very elected president? And still, elected is an adjective in this phrase. There are many adjectives that cannot be graded.
    Gradable adjectives | TeachingEnglish | British Council | BBC

    * The [most then] President.
    Which President? *The then one.
    Do you agree that the word 'latter' is an adjective?
    'then' does not manifest its adjectival status in the above sentences, which forces me to think it is not really an adjective.
    This is a somewhat wierd adjective, that's for sure. I am still not a teacher and can be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curmudgeon View Post
    Hee hee, I'm getting old
    Not to worry, we all are, that's called life

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    yes the ' then' is gone

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    #9

    Re: then

    Quote Originally Posted by curmudgeon View Post
    Hee hee, I'm getting old
    An NP was already an NP as long back as in the 60's.

    True, even a true-blue adjective would not necessarily stand all these tests, but when a word fails all but one, that could be a signal that we might be barking up the wrong tree.
    I agree that latter is an adjective, because it can do these things:

    He is the latter (one).
    You will be late.
    Last edited by corum; 07-Mar-2010 at 07:07.

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    Re: then

    I was taught never to use abbreviations or acronyms. They can be confusing and misleading and they are definitely not English, unless of course we enter the realms of 'text speak'!
    Nosy Parents
    Now Playing
    Notary Public
    Natural Pewter
    No Parking
    Nondeterministically Polynomial
    Nuclear Plant
    NP = No Problem

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