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    Conditional if clause exceptions

    It is said that in the conditional "if" clause, future tense cannot be used i.e. "will + verb".

    However, are there exceptions? For instance when the action in the if clause takes place after that in the main clause:

    (The weather forecast says it's going to rain.) Well, if it will rain, we must take our umbrellas.

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    Last edited by lycen; 17-Mar-2010 at 10:44.

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    Re: Conditional if clause exceptions

    Quote Originally Posted by lycen View Post
    It is said that in the conditional "if" clause, future tense cannot be used i.e. "will + verb".

    However, are there exceptions? For instance when the action in the if clause takes place after that in the main clause:

    (The weather forecast says it's going to rain.) Well, if it will rain, we must take our umbrellas.

    Thank you.
    No, you have to say: "...if it rains...", "...if it does rain..." or "...if it's going to rain..."


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    Re: Conditional if clause exceptions

    What about "If you will excuse me, I have things to do"

    Is this an exception? Is this "if" a conditional "if"?

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    Re: Conditional if clause exceptions

    Quote Originally Posted by lycen View Post
    What about "If you will excuse me, I have things to do"

    Is this an exception? Is this "if" a conditional "if"?
    Good point. In this sentence, the modal "will" is not a future marker, but a word expressing intent, will(ingness).

    If you are willing to excuse me, ...

    The illocutionary force of this sentence is a polite request that is disguised in a conditional sentence. The speaker seeks to maintain a kind of "polite fiction" that his doing his duties is conditional on the hearer's willingness to forgive.

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    Re: Conditional if clause exceptions

    There are exceptions- you'll find examples where there is will in both parts:
    If you will do it for me now, I will do it tomorrow.
    Here, the speaker is trying to persuade the listener to do something.

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