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    #1

    in and of itself

    Is "and of" redundant?

    The fact that one has a herniated disc is not a bad thing in and of itself.

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    Re: in and of itself

    Anyone?

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    Re: in and of itself

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    "In and of itself" is a set phrase in English. It is used here to indicate that the thing in question is not a bad thing, though there may be other things that are worse. For example, "The fact that one has a herniated disc is not a bad thing in and of itself, but the cracked spine will be a problem." One could write, "The fact that one has a herniated disc is not a bad thing", but, by writing it this way, the option to discuss other problems is not available.
    I think you misunderstood my question. I understand the meaning of "in and of itself," but I think one could simply write "in itself" and there would be no difference in meaning.

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