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    have God's faith

    Hi there,
    What is the difference between have god's faith and have faith in god?
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    Re: have God's faith

    You will help by giving more context for each phrase.

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    Re: have God's faith

    Jesus answering said: Have God's faith.. Mark 11.24
    Have faith in God, have faith in me John 14.1

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    #4

    Re: have God's faith

    Quote Originally Posted by carla guaraldi View Post
    Jesus answering said: Have God's faith.. Mark 11.24
    You probably mean Mark 11:22.
    Here are some other translations of that sentence:

    Mark 11:22 "Have faith in God," Jesus answered.

    You'll notice that only the "Bible in Basic English" has seen fit to make this sentence ambiguous.

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    Re: have God's faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    You probably mean Mark 11:22.
    Here are some other translations of that sentence:

    Mark 11:22 "Have faith in God," Jesus answered.

    You'll notice that only the "Bible in Basic English" has seen fit to make this sentence ambiguous.
    Maybe the "Bible in Basic English" explains in its front-matter what it means by "Basic English". For reasons best known to its compilers it may have decided that 'faith in X' is too advanced a concept for a user of "BE". But 'I do not have faith in technology' can't be rewritten as 'I do not have technology's faith'.

    Carla should also note (obvious, but easy to forget) that any quotation from the Bible in any modern European language is a translation (and quite often it's a translation of a translation (example - from Aramaic to Latin to English) )

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    Re: have God's faith

    I am not a teacher, but for what it’s worth:

    In Mark 11:22, the original Greek text transliterated échete pístin Theoú, could be a Hebraism. The Douay-Rheims Bible translated the phrase as “have the faith of God”. So the Bible in Basic English isn’t the only Bible to have communicated the text as saying what kind of faith. Maybe the verse(s) that follow will help explain just what it means to have the faith of God (?).

    In John 14:1, the original Greek text transliterated Pisteúete eis tón Theón, contains the word “eis”, which is lacking in Mark 11:22. “Eis” is a primary preposition that can mean “to” or “into” suggesting a point reached or entered. So this would communicate “where” to put your confidence/trust/faith.

    Perhaps the speaker recorded by Mark was putting emphasis on the “quality” of faith, whereas the speaker recorded at a different point in time by John was putting emphasis on the “direction” or object of faith.
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    Re: have God's faith

    Quote Originally Posted by pharmer View Post
    ...In John 14:1, the original Hebrew text, Pisteúete eis tón Theón, contains the word “eis”, which is lacking in Mark 11:22. “Eis” is a primary preposition that can mean “to” or “into” suggesting a point reached or entered. So this would communicate “where” to put your confidence/trust/faith.

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    Original Hebrew?Looks very like Greek to me (though in a Roman transliteration).

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    Re: have God's faith

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Original Hebrew?Looks very like Greek to me (though in a Roman transliteration).

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    It can't look Hebrew as the canonical Gospels were written in Greek Pharmer must have had something else in mind probably...


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    Re: have God's faith

    Quote Originally Posted by BobK View Post
    Original Hebrew?Looks very like Greek to me (though in a Roman transliteration).

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    My apologies to all! I fixed my original post, thank you. I meant Greek, but that the speaker is using a Hebraism.



    It's all Greek to me :)

    (...and yes, it is a romanized transliteration of the original Greek text. I did not mean to imply I was typing using Greek letters for Greek words. I hope my point was not lost in all the confusion :)
    Last edited by pharmer; 27-Mar-2010 at 01:33.

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