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    Would it be correct to put an "a" before "spectator" in the sentence below? It sounds better to me with an "a."

    Hedo Turkoglu did not play as the Raptors stumbled to a dispiriting 97-94 loss to the Heat Sunday night, reduced to the role of spectator despite being on the active list, a strange and curious twist in an ongoing saga.

    Thanks.

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    Re: a

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    Would it be correct to put an "a" before "spectator" in the sentence below? It sounds better to me with an "a."

    Hedo Turkoglu did not play as the Raptors stumbled to a dispiriting 97-94 loss to the Heat Sunday night, reduced to the role of spectator despite being on the active list, a strange and curious twist in an ongoing saga.

    Thanks.
    It's correct with or without the "a". I agree with you, it sounds better with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    It's correct with or without the "a". I agree with you, it sounds better with it.
    Can you explain why it's correct without 'a'? I sometimes see such things and never understand why people say that. What's the reason?

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    Re: a

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasmin165 View Post
    Would it be correct to put an "a" before "spectator" in the sentence below? It sounds better to me with an "a."

    Hedo Turkoglu did not play as the Raptors stumbled to a dispiriting 97-94 loss to the Heat Sunday night, reduced to the role of spectator despite being on the active list, a strange and curious twist in an ongoing saga.

    Thanks.
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Good morning.

    (1) You have asked another probing question that reminds me of how little I understand the finer points of my language.

    (2) I checked my books and the Web, and I think (think) I understand this matter a little better.

    (3) It seems that you wish to use "a," and certainly no one could possibly say that you are "wrong."

    (4) But my sense is that "role of spectator" is almost a SET PHRASE. Here are a few examples from the WEB:

    (a)Both the speaker and listener are in the role of spectator.
    (b)The role of spectator is crucial for an actor.
    (c)How the role of spectator/observer requires action.

    (5) I also found examples of "role as spectator":

    (a) Discusses her role as spectator.
    (b)The student's rule as spectator has shifted.

    (6)One gentleman (who seems to have great credentials) discussed the so-called "zero article" in relation to the deletion of "the." But maybe (maybe) his insight might help better understand the deletion of "a." He feels that the zero article is used when the noun (in your case "spectator") is being considered in an abstract sense. That is, it refers to the FUNCTION implicit in the meaning of the noun.

    (7) Maybe this is another example of idiomatic English. It seems that many
    (most?) people have the sense that "role of/as spectator" does not need "a." Perhaps "a" would be too specific. Let's remember that "a" = "one."

    (8) I eagerly look forward to others' views.

    Have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Good morning.

    (1) You have asked another probing question that reminds me of how little I understand the finer points of my language.

    (2) I checked my books and the Web, and I think (think) I understand this matter a little better.

    (3) It seems that you wish to use "a," and certainly no one could possibly say that you are "wrong."

    (4) But my sense is that "role of spectator" is almost a SET PHRASE. Here are a few examples from the WEB:

    (a)Both the speaker and listener are in the role of spectator.
    (b)The role of spectator is crucial for an actor.
    (c)How the role of spectator/observer requires action.

    (5) I also found examples of "role as spectator":

    (a) Discusses her role as spectator.
    (b)The student's rule as spectator has shifted.

    (6)One gentleman (who seems to have great credentials) discussed the so-called "zero article" in relation to the deletion of "the." But maybe (maybe) his insight might help better understand the deletion of "a." He feels that the zero article is used when the noun (in your case "spectator") is being considered in an abstract sense. That is, it refers to the FUNCTION implicit in the meaning of the noun.

    (7) Maybe this is another example of idiomatic English. It seems that many
    (most?) people have the sense that "role of/as spectator" does not need "a." Perhaps "a" would be too specific. Let's remember that "a" = "one."

    (8) I eagerly look forward to others' views.

    Have a nice day.
    I understand and agree with your points, but Jasmin's text deals with one person "Hedo Turkoglu" who, because he didn't play, was "reduced to the role of a spectator" instead of being "a player". I agree that the article is not necessary, but I like it.

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    I agree with TheParser on this point.
    The idea is that it is not any particular spectator. You play the role of spectator. The role is spectator.
    Name: Hedo Turkoglu
    Role: spectator

    Some more examples like this (from the web):
    In the role of onlooker, a teacher created “a sense of benign and accepting presence” and “celebrated children's literacy triumphs”

    The role of ambassador involves more "carry- over" to his wife's role in the form of restric- ..... inherent in the role of ambassador's wife.


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