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  1. finwing
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    Smile when use 'see'

    Here are senteces

    It's interesting to see the cats play together.
    =To see the cats play together is funny.

    If I'd like to make those shorter, is this correct to write;
    The cats were interesting to see play together.

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    Re: when use 'see'

    Quote Originally Posted by finwing View Post
    Here are senteces

    It's interesting to see the cats play together.
    =To see the cats play together is funny.

    If I'd like to make those shorter, is this correct to write;
    The cats were interesting to see play together.
    No, it's not correct. It's not shorter either, all your sentences above have eight words..

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    Smile Re: when use 'see'

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    No, it's not correct. It's not shorter either, all your sentences above have eight words..
    Thanks. I didn't count the words^^ But if I still want to put those cats on subject location, how other words must be arranged?

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    Re: when use 'see'

    Quote Originally Posted by finwing View Post
    Thanks. I didn't count the words^^ But if I still want to put those cats on subject location, how other words must be arranged?
    The cats were interesting to watch playing together.

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    Smile Re: when use 'see'

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    The cats were interesting to watch playing together.
    Thanks. I see the difference between SEE and WATCH. But as far as I know, PLAYING and PLAY are both fine after SEE/WATCH. Am I correct or any specific reason to write PLAYING?

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    Re: when use 'see'

    The cats are entertaining when they play together. (Not shorter, but perhaps more direct?)
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: when use 'see'

    Quote Originally Posted by finwing View Post
    Thanks. I see the difference between SEE and WATCH. But as far as I know, PLAYING and PLAY are both fine after SEE/WATCH. Am I correct or any specific reason to write PLAYING?
    You raise a great question. I'm actually not sure. Which is better?
    It's interesting to see the cats play together.
    It's interesting to see the cats playing together.

    I would select the first alternative, but I'm not exactly sure why. I suspect that they are both correct. There does some to be a slight difference in meaning, but, again, I'm not quite sure what it is.

    Perhaps others can elucidate.

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    Re: when use 'see'

    Could we compare the sentences discussed to the following two:

    I saw him cross the street.
    I saw him crossing the street.

    Here there's an obvious difference in aspect and thus in the meaning. I don't think there's the same difference in the sentences under discussion. According to this I tend to use the second version with the'cats playing'.
    What do you think?

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    Re: when use 'see'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mzungu39 View Post
    Could we compare the sentences discussed to the following two:

    I saw him cross the street.
    I saw him crossing the street.

    Here there's an obvious difference in aspect and thus in the meaning. I don't think there's the same difference in the sentences under discussion. According to this I tend to use the second version with the'cats playing'.
    What do you think?
    That's very useful. I actually do think there is a similarity. The second version seems to emphasize the fact that you saw him. When did you see him? When he was crossing the street. It is different than saying "I saw him cross the street." The emphasis is on the fact that he crossed the street. It is a subtle nuance, but it is there, or so it seems to me. And, while the difference is still smaller in the cats example, I do believe that it is there.

    I join you in being interested in what others may bring to this. Now, for those of you are ESL students, I do believe that the difference is not that significant. Either form seems perfectly acceptable.

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    Re: when use 'see'

    Quote Originally Posted by kfredson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mzungu39 View Post
    Could we compare the sentences discussed to the following two:

    I saw him cross the street.
    I saw him crossing the street.

    Here there's an obvious difference in aspect and thus in the meaning.

    That's very useful. I actually do think there is a similarity. The second version seems to emphasize the fact that you saw him. When did you see him? When he was crossing the street. It is different than saying "I saw him cross the street." The emphasis is on the fact that he crossed the street. It is a subtle nuance, but it is there, or so it seems to me.
    I think Mzungu was trying to call attention to the fact that in his example "cross" can be interpreted as a preposition (across). Such interpretation is confirmed here cross: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com. In this case, "he may never have crossed the street at all", he just happened to be the other side when I saw him. In order to avoid the ambiguity the second version could be used.

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