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    the fact that ....

    Aloha, good morning.
    We eat out despite (the fact) that it is snowing.
    But for (the fact) that the resue team had came to me, I would have died already.

    Can I omit "the fact" above because that-clause is noun already after preposition?
    It's seek time.thanks no end.

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    Re: the fact that ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Atom1995 View Post
    Aloha, good morning.
    We eat out despite (the fact) that it is snowing.
    But(If not) for (the fact) that the resue team had came to (reached)me, I would have died already.

    Can I omit "the fact" above because that-clause is noun already after preposition?
    It's seek time (it seeks time? it takes time?).thanks no end.
    Yes, it can be omitted.
    thanks no end - cute but unusual phrase!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedtmc View Post
    Yes, it can be omitted.
    thanks no end - cute but unusual phrase!
    We eat out despite that it is snowing.
    If not for that the rescue team had reached me, I would have died already.

    Are you suggesting that the above sentences are correct? They are not.

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    If not for that the rescue team had reached me, I would have died already.

    But for the rescue team, I would have died.
    Had it not been for the rescue team, I would have died.

    We eat out despite [something].
    We eat out despite [the weather].
    We eat out despite [that it is snowing].
    It depends on [whether we like it].

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    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    But for the rescue team, I would have died.
    Had it not been for the rescue team, I would have died. We eat out despite [that it is snowing].
    These are not correct according to bhaisahad. corum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedtmc View Post
    These are not correct according to bhaisahad. corum?
    No, my sentences are correct English.

    But for the rescue team, I would have died.
    Had it not been for the rescue team, I would have died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedtmc View Post
    These are not correct according to bhaisahad. corum?
    We eat out despite that it is snowing.
    If not for that the rescue team had reached me, I would have died already.

    Bhaisahab's right- these are both wrong- you can't omit 'the fact'. Corum's corrections work fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    We eat out despite that it is snowing.
    despite = prep
    that it is snowing = nominal clause

    Is it not idiomatic or is it not grammatical? If the latter, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    We eat out despite that it is snowing.
    It is wrong because ‘Despite’ as preposition can not join either a nominal or relative clause.

    So, “We eat out despite the fact that it is snowing.” Is correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    It is wrong because ‘Despite’ as preposition can not join either a nominal or relative clause.

    So, “We eat out despite the fact that it is snowing.” Is correct
    If wh-clause can be correctly used after "despite", just as:
    "Despite what you have told me, I couldn't care less"

    why not be the same with "that-clause" in which conjunction of "that" is the same as any "wh-words" in wh-clauses.

    that, what, where, when, how are all conjunctions in their respective clauses. I still cannot figure the reason out. finger-crossed for somebody's insight. thanks.
    Last edited by panicmonger; 15-Apr-2010 at 13:14.

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