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    Dear teachers,

    Would you be kind enough to share with me your appreciated opinion concerning the following sentences?

    Having found a letter addressed to one of its own, Dmitryuk broke it open and shamelessly read it.

    or

    Finding a letter addressed to one of its own, Dmitryuk broke it open and shamelessly read it.

    shameless = feeling no remorse, shame

    What about "Offering their condolences to a nation in mourning, Russian Prime Minister Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev vowed a thorough investigation into the plane crash."

    Thank you for your efforts.

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    V.
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    #2

    Re: examining of one sentence only 2

    Give me a Russian version again. I have a couple of ideas on the account of the sentences...

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    #3

    Re: examining of one sentence only 2

    Hi Jack8rkim,

    Thank you for your ardent empathy with my abortive attempts to get things properly under control.
    Here id the Russian version.

    Найдя письмо, адресованное кому-либо из своих, Дмитрюк вскрывал его и без зазрения совести прочитывал (В. Попов. Сталь и шлак).

    Regards,

    V.

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    Re: examining of one sentence only 2

    Quote Originally Posted by vil View Post
    wing sentences?

    Having found a letter addressed to one of its own, Dmitryuk broke it open and shamelessly read it.

    or

    Finding a letter addressed to one of its own, Dmitryuk broke it open and shamelessly read it.

    shameless = feeling no remorse, shame
    Either "having found" or "finding" are correct, and "shamelessly" is correct.

    However, what does "one of its own" refer to?
    Usually, we would say someone opened a letter, not broke open a letter.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: examining of one sentence only 2

    Hi Barb_D,

    Thank you for your prompt reply.

    Thank you also for your corroboration of my wording.

    Here is a brief explanation of my interpretation of the expression “one of its own”

    one of its own = one of his own family = one of one’s own people

    Regards,

    V.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Either "having found" or "finding" are correct, and "shamelessly" is correct.
    Hi, Barb

    Since, to my knowledge, "having found" is the only correct option, would you explain why "finding" is correct as well?

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    Okay - don't use "it" to refer to a human.
    Finding the letter addressed to one of HIS own.

    (But I wouldn't know if that meant people he managed, people he fathered, people he is on a team with, etc.)
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    Euncu,

    Realizing he was late, he started running.
    Learning the identity of his secret admirer, he rushed out to buy her flowers.
    Finding the letter, he read it.

    -- Do these all sound odd to you?
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Euncu,

    Realizing he was late, he started running.
    Learning the identity of his secret admirer, he rushed out to buy her flowers.
    Finding the letter, he read it.

    -- Do these all sound odd to you?
    Okay, I think I couldn't ask what I meant to ask properly. I didn't mean that you were wrong about it.(It'd be a silly thing to say to a native-speaker, especially to you). I just tried to say that what I knew (or I tought - as it turned out that I was wrong about it) was when we speak about past, the infinitive"to+V1" becomes "having+V3". So, by no means, I meant to say that what you knew about it was wrong. I just asked a little more details since I'd thought that "having+v3" was the only option.

    I hope, I've been more succesful than before to make it a bit clearer this time.

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    Re: examining of one sentence only 2

    Quote Originally Posted by euncu View Post
    (It'd be a silly thing to say to a native-speaker, especially to you).
    Oh no, you're wrong there. I sure make mistakes, and I misread things, and sometimes my brain goes on vacation without me and I write things that are just utterly wrong. (I try not to let that happen TOO often, but...)

    If you see something that looks wrong, you should point it out!

    I wanted to know if the others sounded off to you or if there was something about the original sentence specifically that sounded odd.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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