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    Question Present perfect, Again!

    Hello there,

    I need your help, can you tell me if the following sentences are correct?:

    -I've recently started ( or started?) a new job.

    -Since I've discovered (or discovered?) this new coffee machine, I've been drinking 10 cups of coffee a day!

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    Seen on TV:

    A: I think he's lost his talent.

    B: Yes, he lost it.

    What does A use the present perfect and B the past simple. Why do they not use the same tense?

    Thanks a lot
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    Re: Present perfect, Again!

    Quote Originally Posted by Will17 View Post
    Hello there,

    I need your help, can you tell me if the following sentences are correct?:

    -I've recently started ( or started?) a new job.

    -Since I've discovered (or discovered?) this new coffee machine, I've been drinking 10 cups of coffee a day!

    ----------
    Seen on TV:

    A: I think he's lost his talent.

    B: Yes, he lost it.

    What does A use the present perfect and B the past simple. Why do they not use the same tense?

    Thanks a lot
    W
    "I have recently started a new job/I have started a new job" are both correct.
    "Since I discovered this new coffee machine, I have been drinking..."

    In your example from the TV, B should say: "Yes he's (he has) lost it".

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    Re: Present perfect, Again!

    [QUOTE=bhaisahab;

    "Since I discovered this new coffee machine, I have been drinking..."

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    Thank you bhaisahab.

    Regarding the above example, I have one more question.

    Why do we say?:

    -"Since I"ve seen you (and not "saw") many things have happened.

    But

    -Since I discovered (and not have discovered)this new coffee machine, I have been drinking...

    Thank you.

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    Re: Present perfect, Again!

    Quote Originally Posted by Will17 View Post
    Why do we say?:

    -"Since I"ve seen you (and not "saw") many things have happened.
    We don't.

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    Re: Present perfect, Again!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    We don't.
    So we say, "since I saw you ,many things have happened? "

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    Re: Present perfect, Again!

    Quote Originally Posted by Will17 View Post
    So we say, "since I saw you ,many things have happened? "
    Yes, but "Since I saw you" would not be said often. It needs more explanation.

    Some things that do make sense:
    Since I last saw you ...
    Since I saw you last week ...
    Since I met you ...

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    Re: Present perfect, Again!

    And what about Sting's chart-topping hit song?

    "Since you've gone I've been lost without a trace"

    (You can find the lyrics in the description bar.)

    I don't think that "since" means "because" here...

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    Re: Present perfect, Again!

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Mav~ View Post
    And what about Sting's chart-topping hit song?

    "Since you've gone I've been lost without a trace"

    (You can find the lyrics in the description bar.)

    I don't think that "since" means "because" here...
    And here again is evidence that song lyrics shouldn't be used as examples of grammatically correct English!! Technically, that sentence should read "Since you've been gone....." (too many syllables for the rhythm) or "Since you went....." (just doesn't sound as good!)

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    Re: Present perfect, Again!

    Thank you very much!


    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    And here again is evidence that song lyrics shouldn't be used as examples of grammatically correct English!!
    What a pity! Sting "attended Northern Counties College of Education, (which later became part of Northumbria University) from 1971 to 1974 and qualified as a teacher. He then worked as a schoolteacher at St. Paul's Middle School in Cramlington for two years." (Wikipedia) One would think that a well-educated, British songwriter can be trusted...


    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    Technically, that sentence should read "Since you've been gone....."
    And would "since", in this case, mean "because"

    And, speaking of lyrics, does the same apply to The Beatles' hit, "Don't bother me"? (No, I don't want to bother you. ) I mean the following line:
    "Since she's been gone I want no one to talk to me."
    Last edited by ~Mav~; 26-Apr-2010 at 15:49.

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    Re: Present perfect, Again!

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Mav~ View Post
    Thank you very much!



    What a pity! Sting "attended Northern Counties College of Education, (which later became part of Northumbria University) from 1971 to 1974 and qualified as a teacher. He then worked as a schoolteacher at St. Paul's Middle School in Cramlington for two years." (Wikipedia) One would think that a well-educated, British songwriter can be trusted...



    And would "since", in this case, mean "because"

    And, speaking of lyrics, does the same apply to The Beatles' hit, "Don't bother me"? (No, I don't want to bother you. ) I mean the following line:
    "Since she's been gone I want no one to talk to me."
    "Since" doesn't mean "because" in either of those examples. It means "From the time that"

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