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    Hi there,
    Which one is correct and why?

    1. Framing refers both to the physical frame of the picture and means how you look at or understand a situation.

    2.Framing both refers to the physical frame of the picture and means how you look at or understand a situation.

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    Re: both

    Quote Originally Posted by peter123 View Post
    Hi there,
    Which one is correct and why?

    1. Framing refers both to the physical frame of the picture and means how you look at or understand a situation.

    2.Framing both refers to the physical frame of the picture and means how you look at or understand a situation.

    tks
    pete
    Hello,

    What is your choice?

    Thanks

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    Re: both

    **Neither a teacher nor a native speaker.**

    May I try?

    I would choose #2.

    We have to verbs: refer and mean.
    If you say "refers both and means" it sounds odd to me, because mean doesn't have anything to do with refer.
    That's why I'd choose "both refers... and means..."

    I hope I'm right

    Edit
    We have two verbs: refer and mean.

    Cheers!
    Last edited by Nightmare85; 07-May-2010 at 00:54.

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    Re: both

    ***Neither a teacher nor a native-speaker***

    First off, drop "means".

    As for the sentences, as far as I'm concerned, the first sentence sounds neutral, just a plain statement. But the second one emphasizes the dual nature of framing.

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    Re: both

    Hi there,
    Any native speakers help?

    tks
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    Re: both

    Nightmare was spot on.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: both

    Thanks Barb!
    I've just seen that I misspelled "two", I wrote "to"

    Cheers!

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    Exclamation Re: both

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Nightmare was spot on.
    Yes, Nightmare85 is perfectly right. I am just trying to justify that grammatically.

    Here two things (a prepositional phrase and noun clause) are involved, (1) to the physical frame of the picture (2) how you look at or understand a situation. Normally, ‘both’ as a determiner can describe two things if the action/state denoted by a verb links the two things. In sentence (1) the verb ‘refer’ does not link the two things.
    Both is inappropriate where the verb does not apply to each of two things by itself.
    In sentence (2) both is used with and to link two parallel statements.

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