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    couple of questions about grammar

    1. Absence makes heart grow fonder.

    I saw this sentence in my English text book today, and I'm wondering what grow fonder is?

    Absence (subject) + makes (verb) + heart (object) grow fonder?

    Since heart is an object, I feel like grow fonder modified heart becuase object cannot do the action; but it's not adjective clause/phrase when I looked it up. I want to know if it's some type of clause or something because there is no -s on grow either.

    2. you going or your going?

    I learned about some rules that you need to use possessive pronoun with gerund like your bringing up, my playing, my singing. What if the sentence looks like this?

    She won't welcome you going in.
    She won't welcome your going in.

    She(subject) will not welcome (verb phrase) your going in(object) possessive+gerund sounds correct to me.

    3. Do I need to use semi-colon in this sentence?

    Subordinate clause(S+V) , S+V ; conjunction S+V
    After the game was over, I went to the bar; but she went back home.

    4. If it doesn't have subject and verb then I don't need ; right?

    After the game, I went to the bar, but she went back home.


    5. Is there any way to use conjunction after period? I saw ".But" in my textbook today, and I remember that I can't start a sentence with conjunction.


    Thank you very much for the answer. I really appreciate it.
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    Re: couple of questions about grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhavit View Post
    Welcome!

    1. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

    I saw this sentence in my English text book today, and I'm wondering what grow fonder is? "grow" is a linking verb and "fonder" is an adjective.

    Absence (subject) + makes (verb) + heart (object) grow fonder?

    Since heart is an object, I feel like grow fonder modified heart; but it's not adjective clause/phrase when I looked it up. I want to know if it's some type of clause or something because there is no -s on grow either.
    'the heart" is the object of "makes", but it also is the subject of the verb "grow".

    2. you going or your going?

    I learned about some rules that you need to use possessive pronoun with gerund like your bringing up, my playing, my singing. What if the sentence looks like this?

    She won't welcome your going in. This follows the above rule.
    It means that she won't be happy about your going in.

    She won't welcome you going in. also but has a different meaning
    It means she won't welcome you when you are going in. (But maybe she will welcome you another time.)


    3. Do I need to use a semi-colon in this sentence?

    After the game was over, I went to the bar; but she went back home.
    No, you don't have to use a semicolon but you could use one. You could also start a new sentence with 'But'.

    4. If it doesn't have a subject and a verb then I don't need ; right? Right, but even when "it" does have a subject and a verb you still may not need a semicolon.

    After the game, I went to the bar, but she went back home. This is okay too, even though the two clauses do each have a subject and a verb.


    5. Is there any way to use a conjunction after period? yes
    I saw ".But" in my textbook today, and I remember that I can't start a sentence with conjunction.
    Actually you can start a sentence with a conjunction. Many years ago, it was taught that one should not start a sentence with a conjunction. But starting a sentence with a conjunction is now acceptable.
    Doing so can avoid very long sentences with many commas and semicolons.
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    Re: couple of questions about grammar

    Thank you very much 2006.

    I didn't know that an object can also be a subject at the same time. And in my college text book, grow was not on the linking verb list. There are only verb to be and five senses. I just found out that appear, grow, prove, remain, and turn are also linking verb.

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    Re: couple of questions about grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhavit View Post
    Thank you very much 2006. You're welcome.

    I didn't know that an object can also be a subject at the same time. And in my college text book, grow was not on the linking verb list. There are only verb to be and five senses. I just found out that appear, grow, prove, remain, and turn are also linking verb.
    some other linking verbs
    become
    get
    go
    look
    seem
    sound
    stay

    You can search "linking verbs" and probably find others.

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    Re: couple of questions about grammar

    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhavit View Post
    1. Absence makes heart grow fonder.

    I saw this sentence in my English text book today, and I'm wondering what grow fonder is?

    Absence (subject) + makes (verb) + heart (object) grow fonder?

    Since heart is an object, I feel like grow fonder modified heart becuase object cannot do the action; but it's not adjective clause/phrase when I looked it up. I want to know if it's some type of clause or something because there is no -s on grow either.

    2. you going or your going?

    I learned about some rules that you need to use possessive pronoun with gerund like your bringing up, my playing, my singing. What if the sentence looks like this?

    She won't welcome you going in.
    She won't welcome your going in.

    She(subject) will not welcome (verb phrase) your going in(object) possessive+gerund sounds correct to me.

    3. Do I need to use semi-colon in this sentence?

    Subordinate clause(S+V) , S+V ; conjunction S+V
    After the game was over, I went to the bar; but she went back home.

    4. If it doesn't have subject and verb then I don't need ; right?

    After the game, I went to the bar, but she went back home.


    5. Is there any way to use conjunction after period? I saw ".But" in my textbook today, and I remember that I can't start a sentence with conjunction.


    Thank you very much for the answer. I really appreciate it.
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Good morning, Pakhavit.

    (1) 2006 did an excellent job in answering your questions, and I also learned a lot from his answers.

    (2) May I just comment on your first question?

    (3) I used to have problems understanding this kind of sentence until some good teachers and books helped me.

    (4) "heart grow fonder" is (in the opinion of many books) a so-called

    infinitive clause or phrase (I prefer "phrase").

    (a) In other words, it =

    (the) heart (TO) grow fonder.

    (i) That is why there is no "s." As you know, infinitives do not use an

    "s."

    (5) Therefore, your sentence is:

    Absence + makes + (the) heart (to) grow fonder.

    (a) (the) heart (to) grow (fonder) = object of "makes."

    (b) As 2006 told you, the adjective "fonder" refers to

    "heart." (Something like: the heart TO BE fonder)

    Have a nice day!

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