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    preposition

    Hello All,


    Can we end a sentence or a question with a preposition?

    Thank you,
    Titus Andrews

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    Re: preposition

    Quote Originally Posted by stitusandrews View Post
    Hello All,


    Can we end a sentence or a question with a preposition? Yes, we can!


    hank you,
    Titus Andrews
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    Re: preposition

    Ah, the hanging (or stranded) preposition! Historically, one of the most disputed areas of the English language. (PS: 2006, I still mean to come back to you on that other area of dispute, the split infinitive, sometime when I've given it more thought.) My view: people use hanging prepositions all the time in informal speech/writing - often because they simply sound more natural - but in formal writing there is still a tendency to avoid hanging prepositions, provided the sentence allows this, since there are certain structures that only sound correct with hanging prepositions:

    What are you talking about?

    You would never say:

    About what are you talking?

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    Re: preposition

    Over and over, this fallacy of not ending a sentence with a preposition has been addressed.

    English is not Latin. English does not have to follow the rules of Latin.

    The nonsense about not ending with a preposition or even about not splitting the infinitive is based on the misguided notion of old-century linguists and grammaticians (what would that word be, if it were the right word?) that English should act like Latin. It doesn't have to.

    (As the link I provided in the earlier thread says on the split infinitive also shows.)

    To paraphrase the line attributed to Mr. Churchill (and I use him so no one accuses the Godless Americans as being the ones who ruined what was a perfectly fine language until we came along): Insisting a sentence not be ended with a preposition is the type of nonsense up with which I will not put.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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    Re: preposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    Over and over, this fallacy of not ending a sentence with a preposition has been addressed.

    English is not Latin. English does not have to follow the rules of Latin.

    The nonsense about not ending with a preposition or even about not splitting the infinitive is based on the misguided notion of old-century linguists and grammaticians (what would that word be, if it were the right word?) that English should act like Latin. It doesn't have to.

    (As the link I provided in the earlier thread says on the split infinitive also shows.)

    To paraphrase the line attributed to Mr. Churchill (and I use him so no one accuses the Godless Americans as being the ones who ruined what was a perfectly fine language until we came along): Insisting a sentence not be ended with a preposition is the type of nonsense up with which I will not put.
    I agree. To a degree. There is no grammatical reason why we shouldn't split infinitives; no reason either why we shouldn't hang our prepositions. But although the prescriptive use of English might have little hold on the spoken word (though I would - and soon will again - argue that we don't tend to split negative infinitives even in speech), the written word is still catching up, and very slowly too, at least in formal use. I hope that when I come to collect my pension, I will be reading journals and documents that sound more like the way I speak, but for that, we'll have to wait and see.

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    Re: preposition

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    To paraphrase the line attributed to Mr. Churchill (and I use him so no one accuses the Godless Americans as being the ones who ruined what was a perfectly fine language until we came along): Insisting a sentence not be ended with a preposition is the type of nonsense up with which I will not put.
    And it's Raymond Chandler, of course, for split infinitives: "God damn it, I split it so it will remain split!" By the way, I've been arguing with 2006 over split infinitives in the negative on some thread somewhere.

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    Re: preposition

    A: "What time is your party at?"
    B. "Don't you know that you should never end a sentence or question with a preposition?"
    A. "Well, you did!"
    Last edited by billmcd; 26-May-2010 at 00:42. Reason: typo

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    Re: preposition

    Oh oh oh... hold on a second...

    Now you all have confused me...

    Dont know where I am going from here...

    Please help...

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    Re: preposition

    Quote Originally Posted by stitusandrews View Post
    Oh oh oh... hold on a second...

    Now you all have confused me...

    Dont know where I am going from here...

    Please help...
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Good morning, Mr. Andrews.


    (1) As the other posters said:

    (a) Yes, it is "good" English to end a sentence with a preposition.

    (b) Sometimes, in fact, you must do so. Otherwise, your English

    will sound "strange."

    *****

    Maybe you can post some examples. Then other posters will tell you

    whether they think the prepositions in your examples are properly

    placed.

    Have a nice day!

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    Re: preposition

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Good morning, Mr. Andrews.


    (1) As the other posters said:

    (a) Yes, it is "good" English to end a sentence with a preposition.

    (b) Sometimes, in fact, you must do so. Otherwise, your English

    will sound "strange."

    *****

    Maybe you can post some examples. Then other posters will tell you

    whether they think the prepositions in your examples are properly

    placed.

    Have a nice day!
    So, do you think in formal, written English, hanging prepositions are the norm? If so, or if any other poster thinks so, be prepared for an onslaught* of sentences from the documents I proofread, where the hanging preposition would not be acceptable
    *This onslaught might start next week though because I'm off to London for a few days tonight and right now, I'm sitting here at home with no documents coming in to quote from. But I will remember!

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