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    Cool conformity from choosing the second option

    A man finds himself between two women he loves. But the first one, the wild one, is his favourite choice. The second one is next-door girl type, understanding and loving, and all that... In this context, can we say "Conformity derived from choosing the second option (for second fiddle condition, someone's second choice) may not result in a fatalist vision of existence"?

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    Cool Re: conformity from choosing the second option

    Some help, please

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    Re: conformity from choosing the second option

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    A man finds himself between two women he loves. But the first one, the wild one, is his favourite choice. The second one is next-door girl type, understanding and loving, and all that... In this context, can we say "Conformity derived from choosing the second option (for second fiddle condition, someone's second choice) may not result in a fatalist vision of existence"?

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    No, you can't say that if you want to be understood. What does it mean?

    Conforming by choosing the second option ...
    But I'm not sure what you mean by "may not result in a fatalistic vision of existence".
    It's probably true that conforming doesn't necessarily result in such a vision. But who is suggesting that it should? Is there a logical connection?
    I think it's more likely that a fatalistic view would result in conformity.

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    Re: conformity from choosing the second option

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    A man finds himself between two women he loves. But the first one, the wild one, is his favourite choice. The second one is next-door girl type, understanding and loving, and all that... In this context, can we say "Conformity derived from choosing the second option (for second fiddle condition, someone's second choice) may not result in a fatalist vision of existence"?

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    "The conventional choice of the girl-next-door does not point to/signify/suggest a fatalistic vision of existence"??

    PS: don't use the word 'option' when talking about people - it sounds like we're objects

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    Re: conformity from choosing the second option

    Quote Originally Posted by bertietheblue View Post
    "The conventional choice of the girl-next-door does not point to/signify/suggest a fatalistic vision of existence"??

    PS: don't use the word 'option' when talking about people - it sounds like we're objects
    Actually, this could be ambiguous, so:

    'To follow convention in opting for the girl-next-door ...'

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    Cool Re: conformity from choosing the second option

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    No, you can't say that if you want to be understood. What does it mean?

    Conforming by choosing the second option ...
    But I'm not sure what you mean by "may not result in a fatalistic vision of existence".
    It's probably true that conforming doesn't necessarily result in such a vision. But who is suggesting that it should? Is there a logical connection?
    I think it's more likely that a fatalistic view would result in conformity.
    At the end of the movie, the man, pressed by family, chooses the second girl. The reviewer means that this conservative ending has not necessarily to be a defeat (this fatalistic view of existence) because is it possible tolove two women anyway, according to what the reviewer thinks to see in the movie message.

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    Re: conformity from choosing the second option

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    At the end of the movie, the man, pressed by family, chooses the second girl. The reviewer means that this conservative ending has not necessarily to be a defeat (this fatalistic view of existence) because is it possible tolove two women anyway, according to what the reviewer thinks to see in the movie message.
    Then my revised suggestion is, I think, fine - although maybe, depending on the context, you would say 'second girl' or another adjective to describe her (eg 'the more homely girl') instead of 'girl-next-door'.

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    Re: conformity from choosing the second option

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwhacker View Post
    At the end of the movie, the man, pressed by family, chooses the second girl. The reviewer means that this conservative ending has not necessarily to be a defeat (this fatalistic view of existence) because is it possible tolove two women anyway, according to what the reviewer thinks to see in the movie message.
    I wouldn't call it "conforming" to marry the nice girl and have the wild girl on the side. If it is, then he's right - there's nothing fatalistic about conformity.

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    Re: conformity from choosing the second option

    How about rephrasing it completely- Playing safe does not have to be the end of the world (or something)
    I only suggest this because "may not result in a fatalist vision of existence" sounds a bit excessive for a film review.

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