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    The European Central Bank's obsession with inflation is coming under fire, with some economists arguing that deflation is a larger threat to the euro-zone economy. (from IHT)

    I would like to ask the meaning of with.
    Does it mean ‘because of’?

    Thanks in advance

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    Re: With

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazuo View Post
    Hello!

    I am waiting for a reply, please.

    Thanks
    "... coming under fire, given that some economists argue ..."
    "... coming under fire, insofar as some economists argue ..."
    "... coming under fire, as demonstrated by the fact that some economists argue ..."
    "... coming under fire. For example, some economists are arguing ..."

    It doesn't strictly mean "because of". It doesn't state a direct relation between one and the other. But there is an implication there.

    Another example:
    "The exam was hard, with many students failing".
    There's a loose relationship there, but it's not explicitly stated.

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    Re: With

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazuo View Post
    Hello!

    The European Central Bank's obsession with inflation is coming under fire, with some economists arguing that deflation is a larger threat to the euro-zone economy. (from IHT)

    I would like to ask the meaning of with.
    Does it mean ‘because of’?

    Thanks in advance
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Good afternoon, Kazuo.

    (1) I am very glad that you have already received a very good reply.

    (2) May I now add my two cents' worth?

    (3) I also am interested in this use of "with." I don't understand it, either.

    (4) I'm sure that you have Professor Quirk's book. Check the index, and you will find many references.

    (5) Here are a few thoughts:

    (a) In one of Professor Quirk's older books, he says: When the subject of the adverbial participial clause is expressed, it is often introduced by "with."

    (b) Mr. L. G. Alexander in Longman English Grammar says that "with" sometimes means "taking into consideration."

    (c) Professor Quirk's later book is very difficult for me to understand, but maybe -- just maybe -- your sentence involves some kind of reason relationship.

    (i) He says besides "with," there are some "clumsy" prepositional phrases.

    (a) One of these "clumsy" phrases MAY explain your sentence:

    The European Central Bank's obsession is coming under fire IN LIGHT OF THE FACT / BECAUSE OF THE FACT/ IN VIEW OF THE FACT (that) some economists are arguing that deflation is a larger threat than is inflation.

    Maybe (maybe) "with some economists arguing. ..." is a more elegant and certainly shorter way to express this idea.

    Have a nice day!

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