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    #1

    Smile That is for sure.

    What do you think is the function and meaning of for in the following?

    That is for sure/certain/definite.
    I took it for granted.

    Thanks in advance.

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    #2

    Re: That is for sure.

    For emphasizes the importance of what is following - sure/granted. I would also say for shows you really consider it as sure/granted

    Not a teacher at all
    Last edited by philadelphia; 08-Jun-2010 at 10:56.

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    Smile Re: That is for sure.

    Thanks for your insight. It's kind of hard to grasp it though.

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    Re: That is for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by yuriya View Post
    Thanks for your insight. It's kind of hard to grasp it though.
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Good morning, Yuriya.

    (1) You say that it's kind of hard to grasp.

    (2) Here's an example of "to take for granted."

    (a) When people are young, most of them take good health for granted.

    That is, they expect to have good health. They feel that good health is

    something that you have when you are young. They don't spend time

    worrying about having it. Good health is just one of those things that go

    with being young.

    (b) On the other hand, old people like me do not take good health for

    granted. I know that a doctor can give me bad news at any second. In

    other words, I do not expect that I will have good health. I only hope

    that I will have good health.

    *****

    In other words, to take for granted = to expect something as being

    natural and normal and a regular part of life:

    (a) Most people take it for granted that they will get married.

    (b) In many countries, the people take it for granted that they may

    criticize the government. If you ask them, "Can you criticize the

    government?" they will look at you with an expression of "Of course!"

    They take their freedom for granted. They expect it.

    (c) If you are having a problem, you take it for granted that a police

    officer will help you. That's his job. You expect it. Nothing unusual.

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    Re: That is for sure.

    if I say the police will help you for granted. What is this mean?

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    Re: That is for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by hitinvo View Post
    if I say the police will help you for granted. What is this mean?
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Hello, Hitinvo.

    (1) "The police will help you for granted" is, I'm sorry to say, incorrect

    English.

    (2) It would better to say that "I take it for granted that the police will

    help me." / "It's taken for granted that the police will help you."

    (a) When you take something for granted, it means that you do not

    think about it . You expect it. No question about it.

    (i) For example, we all take it for granted that the sun will rise this

    morning. Of course, it will rise!!!

    (b) So when you call the police in the United States, you EXPECT that

    they will help you.

    (ii) For example, here in the United States we take it for granted that

    the power (electricity) will operate 24 hours 7 days a week. If the lights

    go out, we become very angry. We Americans are not accustomed to the

    power going out. We take having good electricity service for granted.

    We EXPECT it!!!

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    #7

    Re: That is for sure.

    I just thought... What would it sound like to say "mistake something for granted"? Would it be just normal or maybe smart/neological? Or lame perhaps?


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    Re: That is for sure.

    Does expect mean hope? (I am sorry to ask the silly thing, but I don't get its meaning really good. thanks

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    Re: That is for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by hitinvo View Post
    Does expect mean hope? (I am sorry to ask the silly thing, but I don't get its meaning really good. thanks
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Hello, Hitinvo.

    (1) "Expect" means that you think it will really happen.

    (a) When someone graduates from college, s/he expects to find a job (because s/he has a college degree).


    (b) When parents get old, they expect their children to take care of them (because the parents took care of the children, and now it's the children's turn (time) to take care of their dear parents).

    (c) When people go to the airport in a big city, they expect to wait in long lines (because there are so many people).

    (2) "Expect" is much stronger than "hope."

    (a) Mr. Jones hopes that his store makes lot of money this month. Maybe it will, or maybe it won't. He has no idea.

    (b) Mr. Jones expects his store to make a lot of money this month because every day many people are shopping there.

    If you have further questions, please ask. Many people here are waiting for your questions.

    ***** Thank you *****


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    Re: That is for sure.

    so expect has 2 meaning, isn't it.
    One means believe and another mean hope, right?
    Last edited by hitinvo; 21-Jun-2010 at 17:39.

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