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    for or to?

    Hi,
    could you please tell me which one is better?

    We discuss an application of the X method to the Y model.
    We discuss an application of the X method for the Y model.

    Thanks a lot.

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    Re: for or to?

    This one sounds good to me:

    We have discussed an application of the X method for the Y model.

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    Re: for or to?

    Apply something to something is an expression.

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    Exclamation Re: for or to?

    Quote Originally Posted by chester_100 View Post
    Apply something to something is an expression.
    Yes, 'to' here indicates direction not purpose. In the OP, the first prepositional phrase-- of the X method --modifies the noun application; the second—to/for the Y model --modifies the verb discussed. The two phrases provide information that helps us to understand the sentence. You can not discuss something to something (We discuss an application to the Y model)is wrong, but you can discuss something for something (We discuss an application for the Y model.), is correct.
    Last edited by sarat_106; 14-Jun-2010 at 04:47.

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    Re: for or to?

    Hi, thank you all for your answers.
    I'll go with "for".
    Have a nice day.
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    Re: for or to?

    Quote Originally Posted by sarat_106 View Post
    Yes, 'to' here indicates direction not purpose. In the OP, the first prepositional phrase-- of the X method --modifies the noun application; the second—to/for the Y model --modifies the verb discussed. The two phrases provide information that helps us to understand the sentence. You can not discuss something to something (We discuss an application to the Y model)is wrong, but you can discuss something for something (We discuss an application for the Y model.), is correct.
    What do you think if I suppose that there is a structure like "apply something to something" or "application of something to something", concretely in this sentence it likes "application of the X method to the Y model" or "apply the X method to the Y model"
    It becomes "apply something to something". Is it a correct form ?

    I think the structure of the sentence "We discuss an application of the X method to/for the Y method" is "We discuss something". And something here is concretely "an application of the X method to the Y method".

    I think when using the verb "apply", we have "apply something" and when using the corresponding noun "application", we have "application of something" with no changes in meaning.
    Could you explain more and clear out my doubts please?
    Thank you very much !!!
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    Exclamation Re: for or to?

    Quote Originally Posted by crazYgeeK View Post
    What do you think if I suppose that there is a structure like "apply something to something" or "application of something to something", concretely in this sentence it likes "application of the X method to the Y model" or "apply the X method to the Y model"
    It becomes "apply something to something". Is it a correct form ?

    Yes it a correct form having idiomatic as well as literal use; as
    Lit. to put something onto the surface of something. Apply the paint evenly to each surface.
    Idiomatic. to use something, such as force, effort, etc., on something or in the performance of some task. An even greater effort has been applied to make sure we finish on time.
    I think the structure of the sentence "We discuss an application of the X method to/for the Y method" is "We discuss something". And something here is concretely "an application of the X method to the Y method".

    I think when using the verb "apply", we have "apply something" and when using the corresponding noun "application", we have "application of something" with no changes in meaning.
    I think there nothing wrong with the structure but what about meaning? By using to you apply a method to a model(mark model) as if it has a sutface where as for indicates purpose of the discussion i.e. to examine its suitability to fit the Y model.

    Could you explain more and clear out my doubts please?
    Thank you very much !!!
    I hope this helps.

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    Re: for or to?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanky View Post
    Hi,
    could you please tell me which one is better?

    We discuss an application of the X method to the Y model.
    We discuss an application of the X method for the Y model.

    Thanks a lot.
    'to' is correct. You 'discuss something' [direct object]. And here, that 'something' is the noun phrase 'an application of the X method to the Y model'.

    In addition (and unless the context - which I don't know - suggests otherwise), I would say 'the' application, unless there are different possible applications of the X method to the Y model, in which case I would be more likely to say 'one of the possible applications'/'a particular application' (or similar).

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    Re: for or to?

    At first I think "to" is correct, later it seems to be "for", now I am back at where I start.

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    Re: for or to?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanky View Post
    At first I think "to" is correct, later it seems to be "for", now I am back at where I start.
    Hanky

    'to' is definitely correct. The poster who suggested 'for' mistakenly believed that we say 'discuss for something' in English but, in fact, we 'discuss something'.

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