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    grammar related question

    What should be the correct word to fill in this blank?

    "Do you mind ____ talking in Spanish?"
    A) us
    B) we


    Thank you!

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    Re: grammar related question

    It's more natural to say:

    -Do you mind if we speak in Spanish?

    But if you want to follow that structure, us makes more sense to me:
    Verb + object = mind + us

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    Re: grammar related question

    Quote Originally Posted by onetwothree View Post
    What should be the correct word to fill in this blank?

    "Do you mind ____ talking in Spanish?"
    A) us
    B) we

    Thank you!
    Not a Teacher.
    "Do you mind (My) talking in Spanish?"

    I think this makes sense. isn't it?

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    Re: grammar related question

    There is some informal tolerance for 'us'. 'our' would be correct.

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    Re: grammar related question

    Quote Originally Posted by corum View Post
    There is some informal tolerance for 'us'. 'our' would be correct.
    I'd say that 'us' is tolerated in this case because it's correct.

    See Quirk (1985; 17.54, p.1290) and the references here:
    https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/a...58-gerund.html
    Last edited by Raymott; 16-Jun-2010 at 06:19.

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    Re: grammar related question

    This is what I think:
    'They liked us singing' being correct in all registers does not underpin the assumption that Do you mind me talking in Spanish should be

    The two sentences have a radically different structure.

    They like us singing; us = object of 'like'; we receive the liking, not the song

    Do you mind me talking in Spanish; me ≠ object of 'mind'. Do you mind the proposition that I talk in Spanish? The object here is clausal.

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    Re: grammar related question

    1. I dislike Brown painting his daughter. (I dislike him (and not 'I dislike his') when he is painting instead of going to school)
    2. I dislike Brown's painting his daughter. (he paints like shit, so I dislike his (and not him) paintings)

    The two sentence structures are different.

    In the OP's sentence, only #2 structure is feasible --> no 'us'

    do you mind me?
    Do you dislike Brown?

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    Re: grammar related question

    Quote Originally Posted by onetwothree View Post
    What should be the correct word to fill in this blank?

    "Do you mind ____ talking in Spanish?"
    A) us
    B) we


    Thank you!
    Quirk et al., (1985), p.1194, 16.42:

    Complementation by -ing participle clause (with subject)
    Verbs which accept this pattern comprise a considerable subset of those verbs accepting the subjectless -ing clause as object. The genitive form of the subject is an option in formal English, but is often felt awkward or stilted:

    I dislike him/his driving my car
    We look forward to you/your becoming our neighbour.

    In some cases, particularly when the subject of the participle is not a pronoun and does not have personal preference, the genitive option is rare:

    Peter stopped the vehicle/?vehicle's crashing into the fence.

    The genitive is also rare with a pronoun with nonpersonal fererence:

    I look forward to it/?its getting warmer in spring.
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    Do you mind [us talking in Spanish]?

    I am really surprised now.

    Do you mind something?
    Do you mind [*we talking in Spanish?]

    talking is the head of the gerund phrase, right? The appropriate form of 'we' plus 'in Spanish' are the peripheries.

    Do you like my hair?
    Do you like me hair?

    Everyone agrees, I hope. But then,

    The genitive form of the subject is an option in formal English, but is often felt awkward or stilted
    Thinking along those lines, what Quirk says amounts to the marginal acceptance of
    Do you mind my speaking?, and the full acceptance of Do you mind me speaking?.


    Am I dreaming or am I being taken for a ride? Or am I missing something?

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    Re: grammar related question

    Dear corum,
    That structure is certainly acceptable. To be sure, I checked out a source that counts it as a verb plus object structure. However, I would use something like the alternative I put in my previous post in this thread.

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