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    judging and considering are prepositions now?

    Judging from the way Obama has been handling the Gulf oil spill, he is not a good president.------

    How about:

    Judged from the way Obama has been handling the Gulf oil spill, he is not a good president.

    I think the first sentence sounds better. But grammatically speaking, if [judging] is a present participle, the sentence has made a mistake of dangling modifier. I asked my English teacher (a Chinese national) on this and she said that [judging ] is now considered a preposition, so the first line is correct.

    Is that really so? Thank you.
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    Re: judging and considering are prepositions now?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiuJing View Post
    Judging from the way Obama has been handling the Gulf oil spill, he is not a good president.------

    How about:

    Judged from the way Obama has been handling the Gulf oil spill, he is not a good president. also correct

    I think the first sentence sounds better. But grammatically speaking, if [judging] is a present participle, "Judging" is a verb. the sentence has mde a mistake of dangling modifier. I asked my English teacher (a Chinese national) on this and she said that [judging ] is now considered a preposition, Do you mean preposition or present participle?
    so the first line is correct.

    Is that really so? Thank you.
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    Re: judging and considering are prepositions now?

    Both are good English?

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    Re: judging and considering are prepositions now?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiuJing View Post
    Both are good English?
    Yes, both sentences are good English.

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    Re: judging and considering are prepositions now?

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    I think that judging and considering are not prepositions, rather they are gerunds which look like verbs but are used at the place of a noun. The sentences are correct to me.

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    Re: judging and considering are prepositions now?

    Quote Originally Posted by deepak.jangir View Post
    I think that judging and considering are not prepositions, rather they are gerunds which look like verbs but are used at the place of a noun. The sentences are correct to me.
    But who does the job of judging? In this case, it is not Obama, the subject of the main clause. Grammatically, 'judged' is better. But my teacher said that since too many people use 'judging' now, it is deemed as correct English, and the grammarian has regarded it as a preposition so that it can be used regardless of what the subject is in the main clause.

    Judging from what he did, I think he is a nice person.(I do the job of judging.)

    Judging from what he did, Obama is a nice person. (It could mean Obama does the job of judging, which is probably not meant by the person who says that.)

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    Re: judging and considering are prepositions now?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiuJing View Post
    But who does the job of judging? In this case, it is not Obama, the subject of the main clause. Grammatically, 'judged' is better. But my teacher said that since too many people use 'judging' now, it is deemed as correct English, and the grammarian has regarded it as a preposition so that it can be used regardless of what the subject is in the main clause.

    Judging from what he did, I think he is a nice person.(I do the job of judging.)

    Judging from what he did, Obama is a nice person. (It could mean Obama does the job of judging, which is probably not meant by the person who says that.)
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Hello, LiuJing.

    (1) Yes, I believe that your teacher is correct:

    Nowadays some of those so-called dangling participles

    (such as "judging" ) are, indeed, considered "prepositions."

    (2) By the way, I found the Style Guide of The Times newspaper

    (London) online. As you know every important newspaper has a guide,

    which is a book that tells its reporters how to write correctly.

    (a) The Times is very strict. Here are its three examples:

    Good > TO JUDGE from the film, the country is in a mess.





    Good > JUDGING by the film, WE can conclude that the country is in a mess.

    Bad> JUDGING by the film, the country is in a mess.

    (The Times did NOT use the words "good" and "bad." That's only my idea.)

    (a) As you can see, The Times does not like the last example because

    it is dangling. That is, there is no noun for "judging." Of course, the

    "country" is not judging. But the second sentence is "good" English.

    And the infinitive in the first sentence is also fine. I believe, however,

    that many people would easily accept the third sentence and just call

    it a preposition. Nevertheless, if you wish to do university-level writing,

    you might consider following the advice of The Times, which -- as you

    know -- used to be the most powerful newspaper in the world.

    ***** Thank you *****


    P. S. I have just checked my copy of A Dictionary of Modern American Usage (Mr. Bryan A. Garner), which many writers use. He agrees that participles such as "judging" are "acceptable danglers" that comment on the following information.

    His example:

    CONSIDERING how hated [I have deleted the man's name] was, it is incredible that another owner would want him as a head coach.

    In other words, "Considering how hated Mr. X was" is a comment on

    "It is incredible that another owner would want him as a head coach."

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    Re: judging and considering are prepositions now?

    If "Judging" is a preposition, what is "from"?

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    Re: judging and considering are prepositions now?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    If "Judging" is a preposition, what is "from"?
    I will not tell you until after supper.

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    Re: judging and considering are prepositions now?

    From the strictest interpretation, it is a dangling modifier. Mr. Obama is not the one judging.

    But to call "judging" a preposition is nuts.
    I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.

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