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    Question "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

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    Re: "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sh.hazeri View Post
    "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?
    Hello,

    I think you can use the both, but maybe a context can permit us to choose the best one.

    I am neither a teacher nor an English person.

    Bye,

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    Re: "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sh.hazeri View Post
    "a friend of mine" or "one of my friends" ?
    You can use either. I can't think of any case where one would be preferred over the other.

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    Re: "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sh.hazeri View Post
    "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Hello, Sh.hazeri.

    (1) I checked The Grammar Book by Mesdames Celce-Murcia and

    Larsen-Freeman.

    (2) If (I repeat "IF") I understand them correctly, there IS a difference

    between the two sentences:

    * Tom is one of my friends. = I have two or more friends. Tom is one of

    them.

    * Tom is a friend of mine. = Maybe I have only one friend -- Tom. Or maybe

    I have more than one friend. It is not clear. It also PROBABLY means

    that Tom has more than one friend.

    *****

    Martha: Tom is one of my friends. (Martha has more than one friend.)

    Joe: Really? Well, Tom is a friend of mine, TOO!!! (Maybe -- maybe!!! --

    Tom is Joe's only friend / Really? Well, Tom is one of my friends, too.

    (Joe has more than one friend.)

    ***** Thank you *****

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    Re: "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    I don't understand how your source came to the conclusion that Tom only has one friend. I would like to know more about this. This is the way I understand "a" -

    A is used to refer to a non-specific or non-particular member of a group. For example, I would like a beer. The reference is not to any specific beer. The reference is to any beer. There are many beers, and I want a beer. I dont care what kind it is. I want a pen" This refers to any pen. I don't need a specific pen, any pen will do. To say that, "Tom is a friend of mine", is to say that I have more than one friend. The way out of this problem is to write, "Tom is my friend."
    ***** NOT A TEACHER *****

    Hello, Gilnetter.

    (1) Thank you for your kind note.

    (2) I have reread my post, and I do not think that it contains any

    contention that Tom has only one friend. In fact, I think that my post

    mentions that Tom probably has more than one friend.

    (3) Nevertheless, I think the most important point is that the authors of

    that book write: "Some reference grammars ... erroneously state or imply"

    that "Philip is one of our friends" and " Philip is a friend of ours" are

    synonymous.

    (4) The original poster wanted to know whether there was a difference

    between such constructions. I tried to explain that there is. Other

    people feel there is not.

    ***** Thank you *****

    P. S. If I say, "Tom is one of my friends," then I have more than one friend.

    If I say, "Tom is my friend," then it is possible that I have only Tom as

    my sole friend. We do not know.

    If I say, "Tom is a friend of mine," it is also unclear as to whether I have

    other friends.

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    Re: "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    **Neither a teacher nor a native speaker.**

    I agree with TheParser.

    Tom is one of my friends. -> it's absolutely clear that I have more than one friend.

    Tom is my friend. -> probably my only friend.

    John is my foe. -> probably my only foe.

    Tom is a friend of mine. -> a can mean one,but not necessarily seen.
    John is a foe of mine. -> the same

    Now you probably wonder why I used the "foe sentence".
    Let's say know many guys, and you have different relationships to them.
    This is Tom, a friend of mine.
    That is Marry, a buddy of mine.

    John is a foe of mine.

    You use "of mine" to emphasize that the person belongs to you (more or less).

    This my point of view


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    Re: "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillnetter View Post
    I don't understand how your source came to the conclusion that Tom only has one friend. I would like to know more about this. This is the way I understand "a" -

    A is used to refer to a non-specific or non-particular member of a group. For example, I would like a beer. The reference is not to any specific beer. The reference is to any beer. There are many beers, and I want a beer. I dont care what kind it is. I want a pen" This refers to any pen. I don't need a specific pen, any pen will do. To say that, "Tom is a friend of mine", is to say that I have more than one friend. The way out of this problem is to write, "Tom is my friend."

    First of all,I do not think that the indefinite article A has the same meaning as ANY.Much as I love your flow of thought,I think you were a little too quick to conclude.The article A is sometimes used to mean ONE...A boy.A book etc.However,saying,for example,that I need a book may not necessarily mean ANY book.It does not mean that I would accept just ANYthing.Saying that I need a book means that what I need must fulfill all the reasonable conditions of a book.If it is torn,for example,it is no longer just A BOOK but a TORN BOOK.Therefore,it may be safe to say that anytime A is used,there is always a silent REAL.A school means a (REAL) school with classrooms,teachers and other school essentials-where these essentials are absent,it is not a school,even if it is called one.
    ONE OF MY FRIENDS clearly suggests multiplicity.I probably have many friends,JOHN DOE is one of them.A FRIEND OF MINE suggests that,even if I have many of them,only the one in reference is my focus.

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    Re: "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    My friends, please use the standard font+size!
    It hurts to read your posts

    P.S. Please don't see my post as an attack!

    Cheers!

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    Re: "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare85 View Post
    P.S. Please don't see my post as an attack!
    In light of a recent macho showdown between some of our members, I can understand why you felt obliged to add such a PS.

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    Re: "a friend of mine" or "one of my frineds" ?

    Yes.
    UsingEnglish are very peaceful forums, and I really hope this will always be the case!

    Cheers!

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