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    recommend that you do not

    Do native speakers (especially in BrE) say 'I recommend that you do not / don't play online games like that?' (instead of 'should not' ) in informal situations? I know grammar books always tell us to use the 'should not do' or simply 'not do' construction in sentences like this. But I wonder how it is in everyday conversation.

    My question comes from reading Martin Hewings' Cambridge Advanced Grammar in Use:
    In less formal contexts we can use ordinary tenses instead of the subjunctive. Compare:
    They recommended that he should give up writing.
    They recommended that he give up writing, (more formal)
    They recommended that he gives up writing, (less formal)

    Thank you in advance.

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    Re: recommend that you do not

    I think that your sentence is correct. It would sounds more natural to say like that!

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    Re: recommend that you do not

    Quote Originally Posted by joham View Post
    Do native speakers (especially in BrE) say 'I recommend that you do not / don't play online games like that?' (instead of 'should not' ) in informal situations? I know grammar books always tell us to use the 'should not do' or simply 'not do' construction in sentences like this. But I wonder how it is in everyday conversation.

    My question comes from reading Martin Hewings' Cambridge Advanced Grammar in Use:
    In less formal contexts we can use ordinary tenses instead of the subjunctive. Compare:
    They recommended that he should give up writing.
    They recommended that he give up writing, (more formal)
    They recommended that he gives up writing, (less formal)

    Thank you in advance.
    ********** NOT A TEACHER **********

    Hello, Joham.

    (1) May I give you my two cents(' worth)?

    (2) I am an old man, so the only correct sentences for me are:

    (a) I recommend that Tom eat more vegetables. (I recommend that you eat more vegetables.)


    (b) I recommend that Tom not eat so much sugar. (I recommend that you not eat so much sugar.)

    *****

    I understand that the following are also good "American":

    (c) I recommend that Tom should eat....(I recommend that you should eat....)

    (d) I recommend that Tom should not eat....(I recommend that you should not eat....)

    Personally, I do not feel comfortable with (c) and (d).

    *****

    (e) I recommend that Tom eats more vegetables. (I recommend that you eat more vegetables.)

    (f) I recommend that Tom doesn't eat so much sugar. (I recommend that you do not eat so much sugar.)

    Do I think that many (most?) younger (and maybe not so young) Americans are beginning to use (e) and (f)? YES, I do.

    *****

    Do I recommend that you use (e) and (f)? NO, I do not. I am guessing

    that you are a young person who wants to learn "correct" English because

    it will certainly continue for some time to be the international language.

    I strongly recommend that you use the so-called subjunctive (sentences

    a & b) if you have decided to choose American English as your model. Of

    course, if sentences e & f become "correct" American English during your

    lifetime, then you can easily change. Many people will judge you by the

    way you speak (and write).

    Thank you

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